Police killing us again!

[R6_kid:Me]

more likely they will kiss ass and say only what their copper buddies want them to say

in my experience, the coppers here lie and lie then run away when the truth becomes all too clear

so tell us scumdog, patrick etc: what would you do if you saw a private car or even a bike doing a 3 point or U turn on that piece of road?

I hope you take the chance to go back on your word if/when the Police Officer turns out to be an upstanding citizen and takes the blame and any punishment handed down to him. What you are forgetting is that he is also gravely affected by the whole situation too. Ok, so he didn't die. But he is probably having a very hard time coming to grips with the fact that he has just killed someone - by accident. Not only that, but in his mind the road was clear when he initiated the maneuver, for all you know one minute he is doing a three point turn, the next BANG he's been shunted and now has to deal with a smashed up motorcycle, a smashed up cop car and a dead motorcyclist.

Put yourself in his shoes before you start taking the high and mighty attitude about a single person you have never met in your life.

[Maha]

i heard Dunedin has decent fuzz? (as long as you are white and "local" )

Well they did in 1974 man!
One hippy says to another '' I just got picked up by the fuzz''....
His hippy mate replied '' Fuck I bet that hurt''?

[peasea]

i heard Dunedin has decent fuzz? (as long as you are white and "local" )

Nup. Had a bad experience there too. Mate was in strife, bolshy bouncer etc., got arrested but the cops wouldn't listen to our side of the story; threatened to arrest me for obstruction if I didn't shut up even though I had nothing to with the incident but saw everything that went down. They weren't in the slightest bit interested in our side of the story. Fuckin' dickheads. Case was reduced from assault (which it never was) to disorderly behaviour (which is what I tried to tell them it was) and all was sweet in court. Fucktards.

[peasea]

Put yourself in his shoes before you start taking the high and mighty attitude about a single person you have never met in your life.

As should any copper who does a u-turn in a silly place.

[oldrider]

Actually, yes!
Your ears are surprisingly effective in this situation, especially at detecting frequency change. It's one of the reasons we enjoy music.

A little test that you might like to try.................r
Go out into your back yard and listen to the traffic going past your front gate, i.e. put yourself in a set of circumstances that you are well used to.
Because it's the frequency CHANGE that matters, you will find that you can easily pick any vehicle that is grossly outside the norm of the speed going past your gate.
Please, don't take my word for it - go and check it out for yourself.

And of course he completely understands which of the six gears is selected as the bike goes past! So much for sound effects!

That old prick should keep his unscientific "assumptions" to himself! IMHO

[biker baz]

Actually, this might be a good time to suggest that cops take the Hippocratic oath..."First, DO NO HARM"

A bit of black humour for you. Iatrogenic deaths (wtf is that you say? - Simply put, death by medicine. Either adverse drug reaction or doctor stuff up). kill 1500 people a year in NZ - THREE times our annual road kill. No signs outside hospitals telling us oops, 28 deaths this week.
In the ACC accounts there is one called medical accidents, changed in the mid 90's from medical misadventure. This has increased 335% in the last 10 years.
Not only are we at risk from the 75% of accidents caused by other drivers, the risk of medical care has got 3.35 times worse, U turn cowboy cops after their quota are a menace and we, the victims get screwed for acc levies paying $30 to improve our driving skills to avoid the fw's who really want to kill us. Be alert, the country needs more of them.

[R6_kid:Me]

As should any copper who does a u-turn in a silly place.

Why is he high and mighty? He made a spur of the moment decision to chase a vehicle exceeding the speed limit by 54kmh on the open road.

You may think that a person of his experience and training would know not to do so, but adrenalin does funny things to your thought process and can make you do irrational things.

[scumdog]

more likely they will kiss ass and say only what their copper buddies want them to say

in my experience, the coppers here lie and lie then run away when the truth becomes all too clear

so tell us scumdog, patrick etc: what would you do if you saw a private car or even a bike doing a 3 point or U turn on that piece of road?

Probably crash into it.......

Oh. nice to see you back - and the quality of your posts hasn't changed at all!

[quickbuck]

was the 'speeding' bike the neighbour heard in 2nd, 3rd or top gear?

Well, in actual fact the bike could have been in 1st... capable of 170k in first...
As said though, really makes no difference at the end of the day. Paul is dead (RIP Paul).... It has obviously effected us all in some way...

The thing is, that there was more than one person who made a bad choice on Sunday afternoon.
Yes, Paul's mate was going a little over the speed limit in his ute.
Yes, the policeman made a bad choice where to turn around....

Can't really say what Paul was up to.. .we can only speculate.
There has been much of that going on by none that were there.... Much of the speculation could be because you know what you have been up to in the past... and got away with it.
Other speculation could be because people have witnessed such behaviour by some people in the past....

Really, like most "accidents" it is a case of "When all the holes in the cheese line up" James Reason Model....

All that had to happen is one of those holes in the cheese not be there, and Paul would still be with us......

I hope some people sit back and look at their actions because of this.
It certainly has sparked debate. That's for sure.

Oh, and it isn't really the speed that kills... It is the sudden stop!

[biker baz]

Actually, this might be a good time to suggest that cops take the Hippocratic oath..."First, DO NO HARM"

A bit of black humour for you. Iatrogenic deaths (wtf is that you say? - Simply put, death by medicine. Either adverse drug reaction or doctor stuff up). kill 1500 people a year in NZ - THREE times our annual road kill. No signs outside hospitals telling us oops, 28 deaths this week.
In the ACC accounts there is one called medical accidents, changed in the mid 90's from medical misadventure. This has increased 335% in the last 10 years.
Not only are we at risk from the 75% of accidents caused by other drivers, the risk of medical care has got 3.35 times worse, U turn cowboy cops after their quota are a menace and we, the victims get screwed for acc levies paying $30 to improve our driving skills to avoid the fw's who really want to kill us. Be alert, the country needs more of them.

[peasea]

And of course he completely understands which of the six gears is selected as the bike goes past! So much for sound effects!

That old prick should keep his unscientific "assumptions" to himself! IMHO

Maybe he's a kb'er?
Ya know; part of me wants to string this copper up right now but there's a part of me that says "fair trial required". However, when it's the cops gathering the evidence in a case where a cop looks to be at fault initially (however skewed that assumption might be) then I have serious doubts about the playing field being level. Non-uniformed folk need to be at the scene immediately IMHO to prevent any 'grey' areas.

[peasea]

Why is he high and mighty? He made a spur of the moment decision to chase a vehicle exceeding the speed limit by 54kmh on the open road.

You may think that a person of his experience and training would know not to do so, but adrenalin does funny things to your thought process and can make you do irrational things.

I was referring to the high and mighty attitude of cops in general.

[idleidolidyll]

I hope you take the chance to go back on your word if/when the Police Officer turns out to be an upstanding citizen and takes the blame and any punishment handed down to him. What you are forgetting is that he is also gravely affected by the whole situation too. Ok, so he didn't die. But he is probably having a very hard time coming to grips with the fact that he has just killed someone - by accident. Not only that, but in his mind the road was clear when he initiated the maneuver, for all you know one minute he is doing a three point turn, the next BANG he's been shunted and now has to deal with a smashed up motorcycle, a smashed up cop car and a dead motorcyclist.

Put yourself in his shoes before you start taking the high and mighty attitude about a single person you have never met in your life.

read the post: i didn't refer to the cop in question; i referred to the way the cop pricks here act when presented with any kind of debate that runs contrary to their propaganda.

but back to the cop in question; i don't give a rats arse about how he feels. my lifetimes experience has shown me they lie, manipulate and cover each others arses. I don't trust oir believe any of them and that goes triple for the coppers here

[R6_kid:Me]

I was referring to the high and mighty attitude of cops in general.

Well rather than being a sheep and jumping on the Cop Bashing Wagon (tm), why don't you stop and think for yourself and see that we are dealing with ONE man, who made a mistake. End of story.

Remember, he is a Human before he is a Police Officer.

[scumdog]

I was referring to the high and mighty attitude of cops in general.

Quite right, they're all like that, every man-jack, the lot of them............speshuly them general ones.