Police killing us again!

[Ixion]

You know I've been thinking a bit about this. We've been so busy blasting the fellow for being a policeman that we've not noticed one interesting similarity between Bridgman and this new fellow. They've both been doing traffic for more than 30 years.

Now that suggests to me that they're both ex-snakes. Not police.

Could it be that the merger of MOT into Police has had a detrimental effect not only on public attitudes to Police, but also that some of the snake attitudes might now be having a detrimental effect on the actual Police attitudes themselves?

Tooman is ex-snake also. But, have to say, I don't remember the snakes doing rash or dangerous stuff. Not to say they didn't of course.

[peasea]

You would be pleasantly surprised to see how many bikes would lie

I wish my bike would lie for me, it's just too damned honest for its own good.

[MSTRS:Me]

what does the term snake refer to? comes up quite often and I still dunno what it is, TIA

Traffic officer. From the days pre-merger. I presume from the term 'snake in the grass'.
Any HW patrol can be termed thusly.

[Bald Eagle]

Now that suggests to me that they're both ex-snakes. Not police.

Could it be that the merger of MOT into Police has had a detrimental effect not only on public attitudes to Police, but also that some of the snake attitudes might now be having a detrimental effect on the actual Police attitudes themselves?

absolutely, merging a public service organisation that had a help people catch crooks ethos , with a revenue earning bunch of small car big dick syndrome people was never going to have a good outcome.

I think merging these two diametrically opposed organisations has been an unmitigated failure and should be reversed at the earliest opportunity.

[shafty]

Cameras in cars as per the U.S and U.K examples would greatly benefit both sides, not to mention save money in the long run through reducing court costs.

TOTALLY -- a no brainer

[riffer]

Tooman is ex-snake also. But, have to say, I don't remember the snakes doing rash or dangerous stuff. Not to say they didn't of course.

Really? You never got nearly run off the road by those idiots in the V3000s? I know those cars were lousy, but sheesh they really couldn't drive them well...

[dipshit]

I think it's because that's the only place they can hunt and meet the quota. The cops know that most people who exceed the arbitrary speed limit also look further ahead than the vehicle immediately in front and that gives them time to wipe off speed when they spot a rozza.

So the cops hang around blind bends to gain the element of surprise.

This is true. They also know radar detectors can pick them up from miles away in more straight flat areas. Undulating sections of road gives them a better chance of catching someone using a radar detector by surprise as well.

[Ixion]

Probably did, I just don't tend to remember that sort of stuff. Happens, dealt with, forgotten. I only remember the two cops who would have taken me out , if I did not have a well trained spidey, because it was soon after the Buller gorge incident, and both times I thought 'They just haven't learned anything at all'. Made it stick in my mind.

Prolly, too, I mainly remember the bikie snakes. Never took much notice of the car ones.

[peasea]

You know I've been thinking a bit about this. We've been so busy blasting the fellow for being a policeman that we've not noticed one interesting similarity between Bridgman and this new fellow. They've both been doing traffic for more than 30 years.

Now that suggests to me that they're both ex-snakes. Not police.

Could it be that the merger of MOT into Police has had a detrimental effect not only on public attitudes to Police, but also that some of the snake attitudes might now be having a detrimental effect on the actual Police attitudes themselves?

Snakes? I've heard them called that, but when I was a lad we called them maggots, and it was one particular maggot (who ended up getting stabbed, ironically) that inspired me to pen this when I was about 17/18. All in jest, of course.

The Maggot.

"New Zealand abounds with those MOT runts
Posing as coppers and acting like cunts
There's no end to the hate those arseholes create
And I've got a feeling they all masturbate
But if maggots can breed the offspring are poor
Coz that's the result when you use the back door

Should you be stopped by a spotty-faced prick
Keep your legs crossed and mind out for your dick
Riding round town on their Japanese wrecks
Harrassing the public and doing spot checks

All night in the pub, drinking far too much rum
Behind you a car that's chock full of scum
They'll take you and break you and fondle your bum
But when you scream 'help' they'll beat you up some
If a maggot wants a fight, and most of them do
Stab him ten times and get his mate too

It's just another case of them versus us
But how can we argue with that lowlife pus?
They grease round a judge like green runny slime
Just to stick a poor biker for some petty crime

So if a maggot should visit, one grey day at work
Take him out back and carve up the jerk
There's no hope for us bikers, of that I am sure
If we do make the grade they'll just change the law

So when you're out riding on a hot summers day
And a maggot on wheels stops you going your way
Break out the sawn-off and blow him away
If you think they'll quit you need your head read
The day that I'm free is the day that I'm dead."

Tee hee.

[denill]

You all no doubt realise that no matter what sensible comments, or for that matter non-sensible comments, you make in this thread, it is not going to make a diddly squat of difference.

It won't bring poor Paul Brown (May he RIP) back. It sure as hell won't make Police change their pursuit of speeders at any cost attitude. In fact no one with any clout will even read this thread.

The thread is all about - making us feel good.

[Bald Eagle]

You where a very angry young man

[denill]

what does the term snake refer to? comes up quite often and I still dunno what it is, TIA

My old man referred to them as snakes because no shit, they used to hide in the grass.

[Ixion]

You all no doubt realise that no matter what sensible comments, or for that matter non-sensible comments, you make in this thread, it is not going to make a diddly squat of difference.

.. It sure as hell won't make Police change their pursuit of speeders at any cost attitude. In fact no one with any clout will even read this thread.

The thread is all about - making us feel good.

Maybe not. The press are takiing a definite interest in this, they are the ones saying that the policy should change. And I know for a fact that the press read this site. We know the police read it too. Public opinion can effect change, and public opinion is the sum of a lot of inputs that people think aren't noticed.

[DougieNZ]

The driver of a speeding ute - that a police car was turning to chase when was it was involved in a fatal motorcycle crash - is expected to carry the motorcyclist's coffin. Te Kauwhata man Carl Jackson's 38-year-old friend Paul Brown died when his motorcycle collided with a highway patrol car which was doing a three-point turn on a Waikato road to chase Mr Jackson. Although he felt "rat-shit for doing over the speed limit", and indirectly contributing to the collision, Mr Jackson said that members of the Te Kauwhata community had offered him support. "I've had a couple of people say 'don't blame yourself for what happened'." He expected to be a pall-bearer at Mr Brown's funeral, which is scheduled for Friday. Mr Jackson said he had known Mr Brown since they were children, and developed a strong friendship through motorcycle racing. Mr Jackson and Mr Brown also worked together for Jackson Engineering, which Mr Jackson operates in conjunction with his father. Mr Jackson, 43, is expected to be charged with speeding in relation to the incident, but disputes police suggestions he was travelling at 154kmh. He said his diesel-powered Mazda Bounty ute was not capable of that speed. He was "still numb" and dealing with Mr Brown's death. He had returned to the crash scene yesterday. "I still can't get my head around what the guy [the officer] was trying to do," Mr Jackson said. He was unaware Mr Brown was behind him, and did not see the crash between the police car and Mr Brown's motorcycle. Mr Jackson and Mr Brown were not travelling together. "I didn't know where Paul was: I didn't know if he had left our friend's, or was still there. He was sitting there finishing his drink when I left. I did not know he was behind me. "He [the police officer] was coming in the opposite direction. As I have gone past the cop, I have looked in my side mirror, seen his [the police officer's] brake lights come on. I naturally thought he was going to chase me." He said the officer had to take some responsibility for the collision. "It's a series of events that should never have happened. I'm not hiding from the fact what I did has probably contributed to the chain of events."

Interesting the way life is isn't it? This guy gets support and the police get blasted as a whole before the investigation has even taken place!

[peasea]

Maybe not. The press are takiing a definite interest in this, they are the ones saying that the policy should change. And I know for a fact that the press read this site. We know the police read it too.

Fuck!
They'll be riding motorcycles next and infiltrating rallies etc.
It really is a conspiracy.