Police killing us again!

[98tls]

no, cops (due to a policy change) should just focus on the shit driver for their shit driving! Just cos its harder to measure doesn't mean it should be ignored.

Who knows really,rock and a hard place i reckon.Ive three family members that are cops a mother that works at the 111 call center and a cousin that works at the police call center,only thing i will say is "walk a day in a cops shoes" i wouldnt no matter what the money.

[peasea]

no, cops (due to a policy change) should just focus on the shit driver for their shit driving! Just cos its harder to measure doesn't mean it should be ignored.

Agreed. Bad driving/failing to drive to the conditions causes injuries/death etc on the road, not just speed itself.

[peasea]

Who knows really,rock and a hard place i reckon.Ive three family members that are cops a mother that works at the 111 call center and a cousin that works at the police call center,only thing i will say is "walk a day in a cops shoes" i wouldnt no matter what the money.

Plus they smell funny...

[meteor]

What difference does it make how fast the oncoming vehicle was going? The fact is the officer commenced a three point turn to give chase, and a motorcyclist collided with the Police vehicle, and died.

Far out, summarised all the facts in 80 odd pages in 2 sentences... how sensible... that's just not the KB way, shame on you.

[breakaway]

What difference does it make how fast the oncoming vehicle was going? The fact is the officer commenced a three point turn to give chase, and a motorcyclist collided with the Police vehicle, and died.

Quoted for truth.

The speed of the ute and the motorcyclist have been called into question; None of these are relevant. All that matters is piggy did something fucking stupid, and someone died from it.

[peasea]

What difference does it make how fast the oncoming vehicle was going?

The revenue to be gathered?
Priorities, man, priorities.

[scumdog]

no, cops (due to a policy change) should just focus on the shit driver for their shit driving! Just cos its harder to measure doesn't mean it should be ignored.

More mufti cars would help -people rarely do daft shit (well not knowingly anyway) when an obvious cop car is nearby.

[marty]

I trust we will all be allowed to sight the documentation supporting Officer Uey's contention that the bad-guy was doing 154Kph. His Hawke must have been locked at that speed otherwise he could not give the perp a ticket. And thus an enquiry via the OIA should reveal the truth. Perhaps Ixion might like to pursue that course.

What would be the case if...."Well bugger my gumboots! Officer H reset the Hawke at the scene on account of he decided he may as well since the cop car was facing in the right direction to catch yet another perp." Or..."The impact of the bike tore the heart out of the Hawke."

Will these be the excuses for failing to provide the official reading Officer Uey is relying upon?

It seems to me that Officer Uey could, maybe, only just, cite public safety for his bizarre actions if, in fact the perp was doing said speed.

One has to admit that Officer Uey's position would be untenable if it transpires he was looking to pull down some dude for doing 111Kph, or 120. Whereas the claimed 154 does give Officer Uey's actions a 'very' mild sense of legitimacy.

See where I'm going here with this?

WTF thinks you have the right to see anything in relation to this? If you can't figure out that a homicide investigation is underway, and anything relating to this case is highly prejudicial, then your opinion - or anyone elses outside of the investigation team - is hardly going to matter a squat.

[bogan]

More mufti cars would help -people rarey do daft shit (well not knowingly anyway) when an obvious cop car is nearby.

bit more tech would help too, red light cameras, ANPR for unreged/stolen cars. Lets face it, speed is targeted (at least in part) cos its easy to measure and prove, getting more tech to help in other areas wouldn't be a bad thing.

[scumdog]

I trust we will all be allowed to sight the documentation supporting Officer Uey's contention that the bad-guy was doing 154Kph. His Hawke must have been locked at that speed otherwise he could not give the perp a ticket.

Oh yeah, they're always posting information like that in the public arena....

[bent12]

bunch of fuckwits

[marty]

bunch of fuckwits

Who? Police? Us? You and your mates?

[Taz]

Who? Police? Us? You and your mates?

Probably .

[rastuscat]

The speed of the ute and the motorcyclist have been called into question; None of these are relevant. All that matters is piggy did something fucking stupid, and someone died from it.

And that's what started this whole thread. There are 2 opposing arguments in regard to speed; that the one going fast could have stopped before hitting the bad driver (the Police car) had he been going slower, and that it is entirely the fault of the Police car.

Now, we don't know how fast the bike was going, so why are we all speculating before we know at all? The best we will ever be able to do is let the Serious Crash guys make an estimate based on the physical evidence. This is normally a pretty good estimate, but is still only an estimate.

Let's not forget that most crashes are a result of a combination of factors, rarely just one single cause. Based solely on the photos I have only seen on KB, this was truly an awful place to do a U-turn or 3 point turn. The bike may have been going too fast to be able to avoid the Police car, but we don't know. The ute is what caused the Police driver to commence the U-turn or 3 point turn, apparently exacerbated by target fixation. It's not like the Police driver was just turning to get to the next donut shop.

Until this one plays out in court (Coroners or District), we are all just speculating.

[Pixie]

More mufti cars would help -people rarely do daft shit (well not knowingly anyway) when an obvious cop car is nearby.

Well if marked cars prevent people doing "daft shit",maybe more marked cars are the answer.
After all,what is the object of the exercise?Stopping people doing "daft shit",or catching them and draining their wallets?