Police killing us again!

[Toaster]

Lets clarify this. Revenue collecting is for Government and Treasury. They use all sorts of methods to do that, in the main, IRD.

The police and councils issue infringement notices for offences (mobile and stationary). Yes that means income to the crown but they exist to prevent certain behaviours and make life fairer and safer for the majority.

The point of the courts enforcing the payment of fines is about holding people accountable for the offences they commit and making them pay for the consequences of their choices.

[Max Preload]

It called feeding the trolls

More like plain trolling.

[Berries]

Im not going to bother because I know the rules as it is my job, and as soon as I start to try and correct the myths, legends and plain BS on KB all I get is personal insults from a bunch of bush lawyers who think they know it all.

No offence, but many of your posts come across as arrogant and 'I know best' which is never going to help on a forum, in fact some of your posts are just like red flags to a bull. Some of the cops on here are respected, well, as much as the fuzz will ever be by a bunch of anti social FTP rebels that bikers are, and if you know the rules and regs then your input could be valuable, as many people don't know them and post incorrect info. Basically, you reap what you sow on KB.

As for insults, it's a forum, not real life.

[Toaster]

I prefer social rather than anti-social.

[Berries]

I was generalising quite a bit there. I don't even know what File Transfer Protocol has got to do with motorbikes.

[Toaster]

I was generalising quite a bit there. I don't even know what File Transfer Protocol has got to do with motorbikes.

Hehe angry I.T. geeks???

[rebyl]

I would like to add my ten cents worth to this debate. I was going just above the speed limit a couple of years ago on the Turangi to Taumarunui road when a cop came round the corner...I was in the bush part of the road at the time...he apparrently immediately did a U turn to chase me and almost collided with the bikes that were a bit behind me...yes he did this on a corner...arsehole!!!.
My son was driving a Milk Tanker towards Auckland and was following a Highway Patrol car when all of a sudden the cop pulled left and did a U Turn right in front of him, he did not apply the brakes to the truck and trailer unit as he would have probably rolled it so he was heading straight at the cops door...the Cops eyes were just about popping out of his head...wonder if the ticket was worth almost loosing his lfe!!!.
I am a Driving Instructor also and I CONSTANTLY!!!! see Police Officers breaking the most basic Road Rules and I am sick of explaining to students why they are not following the rules....to my mind there is no bloody excuse.....I was in the Military Police in my Army days and we had a Corp motto...."By example we lead". It's a pity that the Police seem to have forgotten this to a large degree.
Now this may sound silly after my above rant....but I have the highest respect for the Police Force and for what they stand for and I would,t want their job today, but I do not and will not respect the idiots that put on a unifrm and think that they are GOD. The uniform and rank do not earn the respect it is the Officer that wears it that has to earn it and until the Cowboy cops out there stop and think about that then we will continue to have this debate. Just because you have the power ....it doesn't excuse you making the mistakes that this Cop did when he killed this rider by his and his alone actions, I do not care what spin someone puts on it...he did it...he caused it...end of story...The Cop in the Bhuller Gorge got made to pay reperation of 60K for injuring two riders...I wonder what price they put on someones life?.
There I feel much better now

[Smifffy]

Maybe like me he finds it entertaining at times?

And also like me at times he may want to dispense accurate information or advice...at times..

Or drop bricks on wasp nests?

The actions of the driver of the police car, in both this and the Bridgeman incident are indefensible, yet everyone from Tooman on down have closed ranks. You have pointed out that the public at large don't know the pursuit policy. The IPCA have called for changes to pursuit policy also, and it is not hard to imagine that Justice Goddard's report was treated with the same scorn as the posters to this thread.

It is hard to see a single post in this thread from anyone in the enforcement field that has contributed anything positive to the debate. No facts, no figures, no quotes nor statistics. What there is a lot of evidence of, is obfuscation, name calling and the "I know what's best because it's my job"

I wonder at the mindset of someone that would find it entertaining to purposefully derail a public discussion among interested individuals looking for answers after a person has lost their life.

Please summarise the accurate information/advice that you can offer soon.

[Coldrider]

Im not going to bother because I know the rules as it is my job, and as soon as I start to try and correct the myths, legends and plain BS on KB all I get is personal insults from a bunch of bush lawyers who think they know it all.

So I figure, let the bush lawyers put you wrong.

I have no reason to believe you are a cop, nor do I care.

Maybe like me he finds it entertaining at times?

There is a huge gap between yourself and him, doesn't even compare.

[Coldrider]

Im not going to bother because I know the rules as it is my job, and as soon as I start to try and correct the myths, legends and plain BS on KB all I get is personal insults from a bunch of bush lawyers who think they know it all.

So I figure, let the bush lawyers put you wrong.

I have no reason to believe you are a cop, nor do I care.

Maybe like me he finds it entertaining at times?

There is a huge gap between yourself and him, doesn't even compare (but don't let it go to your head).

[blackdog]

And also like me at times he may want to dispense accurate information or advice...at times..

inaccurate and misleading at other times....

[scumdog]

inaccurate and misleading at other times....

Quote of same please?

[scumdog]

Or drop bricks on wasp nests?

The actions of the driver of the police car, in both this and the Bridgeman incident are indefensible, yet everyone from Tooman on down have closed ranks. You have pointed out that the public at large don't know the pursuit policy. The IPCA have called for changes to pursuit policy also, and it is not hard to imagine that Justice Goddard's report was treated with the same scorn as the posters to this thread.

It is hard to see a single post in this thread from anyone in the enforcement field that has contributed anything positive to the debate. No facts, no figures, no quotes nor statistics. What there is a lot of evidence of, is obfuscation, name calling and the "I know what's best because it's my job"

I wonder at the mindset of someone that would find it entertaining to purposefully derail a public discussion among interested individuals looking for answers after a person has lost their life.

Please summarise the accurate information/advice that you can offer soon.

I never mentioned anyhting about pursuit policy as far as I can recall. (seeing as you quoted me in that post)

And where does it say on KB "Only facts, figures, quotes or statistics please"

Get over yourself, don't take it all so seriously, you're starting to sound like Lou Gerardin......

[blackdog]

Quote of same please?

well, if not accurate at ALL times (your quote, only sometimes) how would you describe the other times? surely logic dictates the other times MUST be inaccurate?

[Smifffy]

I never mentioned anyhting about pursuit policy as far as I can recall. (seeing as you quoted me in that post)

True. You did weigh in that it was entertaining though, and it seemed an appropriate place as any to comment on the policy. Do you know if any changes have been made to it since October last year?
You appear to be somewhat saner than either Patrick or Red Meter-maid, please don't think that's an insult.

And where does it say on KB "Only facts, figures, quotes or statistics please"

It doesn't afaik. They are usually accepted by sane people as examples of useful information, or the background to advice, neither of which you have contributed to this thread, despite your failed attempt to claim to the contrary.

Get over yourself, don't take it all so seriously, you're starting to sound like Lou Gerardin......

The french cyclist? It is the police that need to get over themselves. Admit there's been a fuck up, make some changes to the way things are done and move on.

I do take it seriously, there are quite literally lives at stake. Nobody in the force believed it after Bridgeman, and they still appear to refuse to accept it now.

I guess this way makes for greater entertainment for you?