That fucking sneaky give way rule

[bogan]

just caught me out, you know the one on the unmarked T-intersection that everyone ignores. Right turning from the bottom of the T has right of way over right turning from the LHS of the T. Months of people giving way lulled me into assuming right of way over the guy on the bottom bit of the T, he got a little upset about it though thing is if he was a real arsehole he could have knocked me off my bike and I would have been at fault.

A change is being proposed to change the rule to what pretty much everyone does anyway.

So anyone else been caught out by it?

[slofox]

"So anyone else been caught out by it? "

No

[bogan]

"So anyone else been caught out by it? "

No

cos you give way? or cos nobody has forced the issue? poll is up now too btw

[p.dath]

The basic premise is, if someone can hit you in the drivers door (in a car), then you should be giving way to them. That's how I remember it.

[slofox]

cos you give way? or cos nobody has forced the issue? poll is up now too btw

Because I know what the rule book says. So I am always prepared to give way.

Having said that, more often than not, the person coming up the stem of the T gives way anyway. If I am coming up the stem of the T I am always ready to stop because most drivers do not know the rule and assume THEY have ROW...

[Dare]

Because I know what the rule book says. So I am always prepared to give way.

Having said that, more often than not, the person coming up the stem of the T gives way anyway. If I am coming up the stem of the T I am always ready to stop because most drivers do not know the rule and assume THEY have ROW...

Also in most cases the stem of the T has a give way or stop sign, it's pretty rare to find one that doesn't have either around this neck of the woods.

[pzkpfw]

The best bit is when the dopey bugger waves "thanks" at you, as though you gave way out of the kindness of your heart.

[steve_t]

What makes it even more complicated is that the road code suggests that the entrance to a carpark is to be treated as an unmarked T intersection ie the person leaving the carpark turning right has the right of way over the person turning right into the carparking area. Of course, this hardly ever happens. I basically treat the carpark entrance as having a giveway sign these days. With the unmarked T insection on the road, I used to live down one. I'd do the right thing and stop miles back to let the person turning out go first but most of the time we'd both just be sitting there for 5-10 seconds til I waved the other person to go

[Maha]

Get three females at an unmarked intersection and watch them all sit there giggling.

[vifferman]

A change is being proposed to change the rule to what pretty much everyone does anyway.

Really? I'd heard that abolishment of the left-turning traffic fiasco was on the cards, but not anything else.
The basic premise of our give way rules (apart from the 'left-turning traffic' nonsense) is "Give way to your right", which is why the LHS of the T has to give way to the bottom of the T. If they change this rule specifically for T intersections, then it would be at variance with all other intersections. That makes no sense (so 'they' probably will adopt it).
I believe what happens oftentimes is people have silly made up rules, like "the little road gives way to the bigger road", and often the bottom of the T is a narrower road than the through road.
The basic thing here is your average Kiwi driver is an eejit. That's why in nearly 11 years of living on my street, I've had two (2!!) people give way to me when I turn right out of the supermarket carpark and they're turning right into it. I've also had numerous people NOT give way to me at the top end of our street (a T) when I turn right and they're coming from my left to turn right into our street.
Cocks.

[neels]

I give way cos that's what the law says, but it's amazing how many people sit there with a dumb look on their faces or gesticulating for me to go, I just sit there otherwise if they go and hit me it's my fault.

We have one of these intersections at the end of the street where I work, I love the looks of terror and abusive gestures I get when I just carry on round when other people don't give way to me, I only hope that when they get where they're going and have a rant about it someone points out that they were in the wrong. It helps that I'm usually in a company car so if it does get bent, it's not my problem.

[bogan]

Really? I'd heard that abolishment of the left-turning traffic fiasco was on the cards, but not anything else.
The basic premise of our give way rules (apart from the 'left-turning traffic' nonsense) is "Give way to your right", which is why the LHS of the T has to give way to the bottom of the T. If they change this rule specifically for T intersections, then it would be at variance with all other intersections. That makes no sense (so 'they' probably will adopt it).
I believe what happens oftentimes is people have silly made up rules, like "the little road gives way to the bigger road", and often the bottom of the T is a narrower road than the through road.
The basic thing here is your average Kiwi driver is an eejit. That's why in nearly 11 years of living on my street, I've had two (2!!) people give way to me when I turn right out of the supermarket carpark and they're turning right into it. I've also had numerous people NOT give way to me at the top end of our street (a T) when I turn right and they're coming from my left to turn right into our street.
Cocks.

yeh, the proposal has both, I think the problem with the T intersection is so many have give way signs on the stem anyway, when the only difference becomes a lack of a give way sign, the motorist just assumes there should be one anyway, like I did ops:

[Scuba_Steve]

This usually comes down to assumption driving (to try & minimize confusion), while I'm prepared to do the legal (& stupid) process, most of the time the "common sense" process takes presence i.e. the same process as every other T intersection (which is the ONLY thing that needs changing in our "Give Way" law). But obviously I do this slower than I would a normal T intersection all while reading the other driver as to see what they're planning to do in an attempt to minimize the chance of an accident.

[rainman]

Had on of these on my regular commute home, absolute PITA because it's a bus route, and the last thing I was it to be flattened by a bus. Road (top of the tee) also had speed diversion thingies in it just before the intersection, so it was a bit tight for traffic coming up behind me to squeeze past when they figured out I was obeying the law. Also the right hand side of the T dropped off down a slope fairly soon after the intersection, and cars often appeared from down there at speed.

Approaching he intersection was a game of "look out behind, shit is that bus going to stop, will he, won't he, what's approaching ahead.... go". Or business as usual, I suppose.

Then the council painted a give way on the bottom part of the T and it all became much easier. They also removed the speed diversion thingies.

[duckonin]

And we expect visitors from over the water to get road rules right, when heaps in their own country do not know the rules, go figure....