Death by Boy Racer

[Grubber]

I heard about the crash on my scanner, the informant called 111 and said that one kid was dead. Before you say that all people who drive 'modified' cars are bad people, how many of you ride motorbikes irresponsibly on public roads? A 250kg bike travelling at 150kmh is going to kill any person it hits.

Don't make excuses fella.....Playing one off against the other isn't an option. You be the idiot whether it be a car or a bike. Wet roads doin drifts when ya can't drive for shit anyway. Yep that should just about guarantee ya kill someone eventually.

[schrodingers cat]

Er,other reasons for loss of control are:being hit by something else?Perhaps?

Certainly wasn't by the 'big bag of brains' stick was it?

[mattian]

None of you know what actually happened. I know it is a very tragic set of circumstances, but you are all making assumptions on what you have seen in the media, which is only part of the story. I know for a fact that there were other vehicles involved in this crash; a Galant which ran a red light and a Commodore.

yeah... and the boy racers probably didn't get enough hugs from mummy when they were growing up. You should be a defence lawyer.

[slofox]

At this point all my sympathies are with the family of the children involved - not much with the driver. But then that is a typical emotive reaction to this kind of thing - especially given the rep of your "typical boy racer' which the driver may or may not have been.
All I can say is that I would hope, given the prevailing road conditions, that I might have been driving with a little more care than this guy seems to have been doing - carefully enough to avoid sliding all over the road and onto the footpath and into a family. I hope. But then I am old enough to care about my impact on other citizens. At 18, I might have been less aware...(was actually...)
Have to say though, I bleed for the parents of the kids - no parent should have to bury a young child as a result of the actions of others, careless or not.

[schrodingers cat]

Actually I do sympathsise with the driver. He's fucked. His life is fucked. He has bought misery to his family as well.
However - judgement and skill

[BMWST?]

There is the rest of the country of course.

Steve

and there are other tracks.

[{.bLanK}G_o_D]

Nope. No sympathy for the driver. That cunt's going to jail for a long time.
Smoku, you are right in a way, the media often make shit up to sell a story but this time I think it's pretty clear cut. Accidents happen, but to mount the footpath and kill pedestrians you have to be doing something stupid. Who gives a shit what the other two cars were doing unless one of them physically pushed this dude off the road into pedestrians that's no excuse at all.
I think our country should adopt the yanks 3 degrees of murder system. This would be 2nd degree murder.

[peasea]

Nope. No sympathy for the driver. That cunt's going to jail for a long time.
Smoku, you are right in a way, the media often make shit up to sell a story but this time I think it's pretty clear cut. Accidents happen, but to mount the footpath and kill pedestrians you have to be doing something stupid. Who gives a shit what the other two cars were doing unless one of them physically pushed this dude off the road into pedestrians that's no excuse at all.
I think our country should adopt the yanks 3 degrees of murder system. This would be 2nd degree murder.

I doubt he'll do very much time, if any. Have you read the sentences being handed down recently? The only sentence that has any meaning is the sentence that the innocent parties will endure for the remainder of their lives; ie; the family of the deceased.

I'll bet you a pound to a knob of goat's shit that dickhead gets little more than a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket (by comparison to the suffering of the aforementioned innocents) and after a couple of years he'll just get on with his life and be 'rehabilitated' at our expense.

I do, however, agree that varying degrees of murder (including vehicular murder/manslaughter) should be introduced. 'Dangerous driving causing death' is what it's called I think but murder or manslaughter would so much better on any fucktard's rap sheet.

This guy didn't need to try and drift in a public place but he chose to. This is no accident, it's an incident brought about by acute fuckwitism. It was a deliberate act and he needs to pay for it. Dearly.

He won't though; and that is just part of the sadness of it all.

[SMOKEU]

This guy didn't need to try and drift in a public place but he chose to. This is no accident, it's an incident brought about by acute fuckwitism. It was a deliberate act and he needs to pay for it. Dearly.

And I guess that bikers don't need to do wheelies in a public place, but they choose to. But then again, bikers can do whatever they like on a public road and endanger as many people as they want to, but if a cager does the same they should be shot, or that's what many people on this site say.

[JMemonic]

Ok an emotive topic, someone has mentioned cars running red lights and other vehicles involved the nearest light controlled intersection is 400 meters away and there is reasonable visibility in this area so really until the Police do their jobs and investigate there will be much speculation.

I live near the location and it is not uncommon to hear vehicles performing antics involving sustained loss of traction at all times of the day and night on any given day, the intersection in question has recently undergone some maintenance in the form of sand blasting so the surface is a but roughed up. I figure that should mean improved traction.

My thoughts go out to the family of the little one who was killed in this incident, and unfortunately in my opinion it was only a matter of time before something happened in the area, Linwood ave is a 60Kph section of two lane road and it is not uncommon to see cars using it as a race track or drag strip, I have personally had near collisions and been tail-ended by cars that in my estimates are travelling at speeds exceeding 100Kph.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...09645&t=h&z=17

[Katman]

If a motorcyclist was popping a wheelie, lost control and killed someone I would be equally as hard in my opinion of them.

Just try that in here and the posts will be slammed into PD faster than you can blink and you'll be infracted that hard your nose will bleed.

Trust me - I know.

[peasea]

And I guess that bikers don't need to do wheelies in a public place, but they choose to. But then again, bikers can do whatever they like on a public road and endanger as many people as they want to, but if a cager does the same they should be shot, or that's what many people on this site say.

I ride a Wideglide, it doesn't do (or hasn't since I've owned it) wheelies, so that doesn't apply to me. As it happens I/we ride very conservatively and I've not had a speeding ticket on my current ride. I think you're referring to sports bike riders who generally think they're Rossi on acid.

[Paul in NZ]

For goodness sake - does it really matter HOW this poor wee mite died? Sure - no one really likes boy racers and the culpret is fairly obvious in this case. BUT! Is it somehow worse to be wiped out by a boy racer than say killed in a normal traffic 'accident' or murdered by a family member.

Pick up a paper and read the news. Bad stuff happens every day and distressingly a hell of a lot of it is preventable. Child abuse, alcohol abuse, drug abuse you name it - the list of victims is long and growing daily. At least this kid got out of his car and tried CPR and he didn't leg it. He deserves some credit for that as I've seen grown men at bike accidents without a clue in the world re CPR and nervy when the cops turn up...

YES - this kid did a stupid thing and there was a tragic result, he deserves to feel the full weight of the law. BUT - we have seen people on this very board do even stupider things and in at least one case cause the death of someone else and apparently they are not that bad? Face it - we ALL royally fuck up and if we are lucky no one gets hurt. We should be very careful holding others up to standards we ourselves cannot meet.

There is nothing good about this and I suspect nothing good will come of it but isn't about time we heard from the fuckin AA suggesting that maybe allowing 18 year olds to drive 200bhp plus cars aint such a flash idea?

Aside from this - this is a heartbreaking story - RIP little guy, you sure didn't desrve this.

[Katman]

BUT - we have seen people on this very board do even stupider things and in at least one case cause the death of someone else and apparently they are not that bad?

Oh, it's worse than that Paul.

It seems he's still looked upon as some sort of Motorcycling God.

[mattian]

And I guess that bikers don't need to do wheelies in a public place, but they choose to. But then again, bikers can do whatever they like on a public road and endanger as many people as they want to, but if a cager does the same they should be shot, or that's what many people on this site say.

Why is that even relevant to this incident? listening to you is like listening to the offender in the docks. "but, your honour, I see guys on motorcycles doing wheelies all the time and... and...and....

Its not even relevant.