Pre89 Senior YSS Suspension FZR1000, Vic R1

[Peter Smith]

Good advice Pete, time to slow down and defer some attention...............

You look to have the suspension sorted pretty well. Have you done any motor mods?

[codgyoleracer]

You look to have the suspension sorted pretty well. Have you done any motor mods?

Suspension first, motor next............

[roadracingoldfart]

Are you seriously, now I mean seriously, trying to tell us that the older you get the faster you were?
;-)

Yer !!
But in defence i was on an RC30 with half a factory kit and lately ive been on a 21 yr old CBR400 lol. Almost the same , plus i have retired again you know .

[roadracingoldfart]

Whats important Steve is that he was faster than you ................... :-)

Only because my class was on the grid before his race hahahaha

[codgyoleracer]

Yer !!
But in defence i was on an RC30 with half a factory kit and lately ive been on a 21 yr old CBR400 lol. Almost the same , plus i have retired again you know .

Bullshit!, i was watchin your face in the stands mate, you were just about riding those bikes out there on the track......................... :-) , get out there mate , if only to beat Steves 250 butt on a donky 400 Honda.

[roadracingoldfart]

Bullshit!, i was watchin your face in the stands mate, you were just about riding those bikes out there on the track......................... :-) , get out there mate , if only to beat Steves 250 butt on a donky 400 Honda.

Words have been exchanged with the CFO lately , so who knows what may happen.

[PeeJay]

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Total over-reaction on your part as you clearly want to think the worst out of what I have said. You will note for example that I also came up with ( well somebody else did years ago ) a self effacing and uncomplimentary acronym for Ohlins. Thats called humour and I think most people would have accepted it in the spirit it was given.
I have now had a number of these Thai shocks apart and frankly that reinforces my findings that they cut corners in certain areas, as do many other mid price manufacturers such as oem Sachs etc. Have you had some apart?
People are as free to choose mediocrity as they are top shelf stuff. I say again, marketing it as ''World class suspension'' is really pushing it.

You may call it over reaction but like you my crime is to challenge, in this case you, on a lot of your statements, innuendo etc.
As you have bought it up, I agree totally, manufacturers cut corners, your example oem Sachs, as well as YSS.
I would add though the proviso ALL manufacturers cut corners, everything is built to a price.
you see where this is going.
Yes even Ohlins cuts corners. Something that must have slipped your mind, otherwise you would have mentioned it.
Compare oem Ohlins to "real" Ohlins.
Are Ducati (and others) going to pay top $$ for the very best Ohlins has to offer?
Doubt it. Ducati supply the data for their "average" rider, riding on their "average" road, at their "average" speeds, and Ohlins supply an "average" suspension at a GOOD PRICE (for Ducati)
How do they do this? in your words cut corners.
Prime requirement? yellow spring and a sticker, otherwise a production suspension. (albeit a good one)
There is no engineer spending all day hand assembling each shock to exacting tolerances and performance, there is a production line.
No different from oem Sachs, oem Showa and dare I say it YSS, all production line products.
Another snippet which you obviously forgot about when you slagged off Asian manufacturers, Some of Ohlins outside suppliers are based in Asia.
Even ohlins arent immune to saving money where they can.
Just in case you read between the lines and read something thats not there, in my opinion Ohlins produce some of the best suspensions in the world, but for NZ$1600 you arent getting the same shock as Rossi uses. Same sticker.
another day

BTW "world class" is advertising PR BS which doesnt actually mean anything. It sounds and looks good.
A bit like Mission Statements

[Robert Taylor]

You may call it over reaction but like you my crime is to challenge, in this case you, on a lot of your statements, innuendo etc.
As you have bought it up, I agree totally, manufacturers cut corners, your example oem Sachs, as well as YSS.
I would add though the proviso ALL manufacturers cut corners, everything is built to a price.
you see where this is going.
Yes even Ohlins cuts corners. Something that must have slipped your mind, otherwise you would have mentioned it.
Compare oem Ohlins to "real" Ohlins.
Are Ducati (and others) going to pay top $$ for the very best Ohlins has to offer?
Doubt it. Ducati supply the data for their "average" rider, riding on their "average" road, at their "average" speeds, and Ohlins supply an "average" suspension at a GOOD PRICE (for Ducati)
How do they do this? in your words cut corners.
Prime requirement? yellow spring and a sticker, otherwise a production suspension. (albeit a good one)
There is no engineer spending all day hand assembling each shock to exacting tolerances and performance, there is a production line.
No different from oem Sachs, oem Showa and dare I say it YSS, all production line products.
Another snippet which you obviously forgot about when you slagged off Asian manufacturers, Some of Ohlins outside suppliers are based in Asia.
Even ohlins arent immune to saving money where they can.
Just in case you read between the lines and read something thats not there, in my opinion Ohlins produce some of the best suspensions in the world, but for NZ$1600 you arent getting the same shock as Rossi uses. Same sticker.
another day

BTW "world class" is advertising PR BS which doesnt actually mean anything. It sounds and looks good.
A bit like Mission Statements

Bring it on, Im more than elaborate to elaborate fully on the above, much of which isi correct. Will do so tonight.

With respect to PR BS the sad thing is many people get taken in by it. For example how many people actually believe the line ''fully adjustable suspension'' Its about as worthless a statement as Neville Chamberlains statement ''peace in our time''.

[codgyoleracer]

Bring it on, Im more than elaborate to elaborate fully on the above, much of which isi correct. Will do so tonight.

With respect to PR BS the sad thing is many people get taken in by it. For example how many people actually believe the line ''fully adjustable suspension'' Its about as worthless a statement as Neville Chamberlains statement ''peace in our time''.

Great to see some creative debate on the pro's & cons of the different suspension systems that are out there!. The YSS gear was overall a big step forward from the original set up on the bike and provided me with the ability to effectivly adjust and substantially improve the bikes geometry, dampening effect and corner speed. I am sure that there are other brands that could / would do the same.
But for "bang for buck" value - the YSS gear is worth considering as an option, + It also it has the extra benefit of having a pro-active service agent in the form of Kerry Dukic Ph 021 715547 to fit custom valving & spring rates etc to suit your own personal needs. (earplugs required on occasions :-) )
The fact that W Whites (the importer) established a relationship with Dukic as their service agent in their initial business plan to distribute the YSS range in New Zealand was a deciding factor for myself when i was considering what to fit & invest in suspensionwise to the bike. I also quite enjoy doing something a little bit different and thought that this would add a bit of extra spice and interest to the establishing Pre89 posties race class.

Cheers, Glen

[White trash]

As you've said many times Robert, business competion is healthy for the industry as it makes competitors lift their game. Good on Glen for going in a different direction to the norm as far as I'm concerned, it makes things interesting to say the least, this thread is proof of the fact. I'll be very interested when some of the current Dukic customers fit YSS to their machines in other classes as tho the success against other manufacturers.

For me personally, I wouldn't go near YSS in NZ simply because of who the service agent is, but that's a personall oppinion rather than cost OR quality.

Good luck with the developments Glen, I look forward to seeing you at R II.

[Shaun]

As you've said many times Robert, business competion is healthy for the industry as it makes competitors lift their game. Good on Glen for going in a different direction to the norm as far as I'm concerned, it makes things interesting to say the least, this thread is proof of the fact. I'll be very interested when some of the current Dukic customers fit YSS to their machines in other classes as tho the success against other manufacturers.

For me personally, I wouldn't go near YSS in NZ simply because of who the service agent is, but that's a personall oppinion rather than cost OR quality.

Good luck with the developments Glen, I look forward to seeing you at R II.

What would you know TOSSER? Now get back to work, before I email your boss

[codgyoleracer]

As you've said many times Robert, business competion is healthy for the industry as it makes competitors lift their game. Good on Glen for going in a different direction to the norm as far as I'm concerned, it makes things interesting to say the least, this thread is proof of the fact. I'll be very interested when some of the current Dukic customers fit YSS to their machines in other classes as tho the success against other manufacturers.

For me personally, I wouldn't go near YSS in NZ simply because of who the service agent is, but that's a personall oppinion rather than cost OR quality.

Good luck with the developments Glen, I look forward to seeing you at R II.

Long track for round two, so will make a mental note to try and carry the speed i saw you doin once when hangin a left onto the extension................... I am sure you recall the time........ :-), - with YSS in board i might just make it though ?

[White trash]

What would you know TOSSER? Now get back to work, before I email your boss

Actually mate, when you do could you ask him where the fuck my final pay is? Haven't worked there for 2 weeks now. I'll bring ya up to speed with the new venture at Actrix RII

Long track for round two, so will make a mental note to try and carry the speed i saw you doin once when hangin a left onto the extension................... I am sure you recall the time........ :-), - with YSS in board i must just make it though ?

LOL. I have absolutely no fuggin idea what you're on about old man. It was more the stone cold front slick off the restart and a burning desire to smash Carey and Derrik a pair of new a-holes on my second meeting on a thou. Funny how things work out....

[Robert Taylor]

As you've said many times Robert, business competion is healthy for the industry as it makes competitors lift their game. Good on Glen for going in a different direction to the norm as far as I'm concerned, it makes things interesting to say the least, this thread is proof of the fact. I'll be very interested when some of the current Dukic customers fit YSS to their machines in other classes as tho the success against other manufacturers.

For me personally, I wouldn't go near YSS in NZ simply because of who the service agent is, but that's a personall oppinion rather than cost OR quality.

Good luck with the developments Glen, I look forward to seeing you at R II.

Absolutely! Ditto to all of your comments and competition with ethics is great.

[steveyb]

Whats important Steve is that he was faster than you ................... :-)

You'll get the jandal!!!!