Tickets for 4km/h over the speed limit this Queens Birthday weekend

**shrub** · 3rd June 2010, 12:35

Originally Posted by Sentox

It's a sad indictment that when out on the road I often find myself weighing up between legality and safety.

Well said! The blunt instrument that we have imposed on us in a futile attempt to bring down the road toll probably causes as much harm as it prevents.

**Kiwi675** · 3rd June 2010, 12:45

The assumption being made here, is that the speed measuring equipment is being used according to the manufacturer's guidelines

The Kustom Eagle dash mounted moving radar is accurate to ± 2km/h in stationary mode and ± 3km/h in moving mode

The LTI Ultralyte Laser (Lidar) gun is also accurate to ± 2km/h and cannot be operated in moving mode.

The Autopatrol PR100NZ mobile speed camera is accurate to -2km/h to +1km/h from 30 - 100km/h and -4 to +1km/h above 100km/h

The Autopatrol SP200 fixed speed camera is accurate to -2km/h to +1km/h

**Sentox** · 3rd June 2010, 12:48

Originally Posted by shrub

Well said! The blunt instrument that we have imposed on us in a futile attempt to bring down the road toll probably causes as much harm as it prevents.

This is why I don't see the point of bashing the police on the whole, personally. They're given a blunt instrument to deal with a problem that is a rather complicated issue (driver ability and mentality, roading conditions, etc). When it fails to solve the problem (unsurprisingly), they get told to wield their blunt tool with more force. Sure, they have discretion, but they have quotas to meet (allegedly). Don't most of us generally do what's required to pay our bills? Police are still people, even if they should be operating to a higher standard. I say blame the people setting the agenda.

When you try to remove a brain tumour with a hammer, don't be surprised if you do more harm than good.

**Hiflyer** · 3rd June 2010, 12:51

So after the weekend the tolerance goes back up again or what?

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd June 2010, 12:52

Originally Posted by Sentox

When you try to remove a brain tumour with a hammer, don't be surprised if you do more harm than good.

Hey!! I did that only last week. Complete success. The tumour was no more. The patient died, but, well, one has to expect collateral damage.

**shrub** · 3rd June 2010, 12:54

Originally Posted by Sentox

This is why I don't see the point of bashing the police on the whole, personally. They're given a blunt instrument to deal with a problem that is a rather complicated issue (driver ability and mentality, roading conditions, etc). When it fails to solve the problem (unsurprisingly), they get told to wield their blunt tool with more force. Sure, they have discretion, but they have quotas to meet (allegedly). Don't most of us generally do what's required to pay our bills? Police are still people, even if they should be operating to a higher standard. I say blame the people setting the agenda.

When you try to remove a brain tumour with a hammer, don't be surprised if you do more harm than good.

Some cops are utter cocks and deserve all the contempt they get, but others are good bastards doing an important job. And you're right, the problem lies with the unimaginative and weak people we foolishly appoint to run the show (both Labour and National). They lack the wisdom to look beyond doing what has always been done. My bet is that Paula Rose was advised to bring in the 4 kmh limit by Steven Joyce.

As an aside, I'd love to know what the cops think of a 4 kmh tolerance - my guess is they don't much like it either.

**miloking** · 3rd June 2010, 12:56

Originally Posted by Hiflyer

So after the weekend the tolerance goes back up again or what?

I wouldnt rely on it...if the road toll goes down by even 1 they will have reason to claim how it was a success! Fuck they will claim it was a success even if the road toll goes up...by saying that it would have been much worse otherwise...

**Sentox** · 3rd June 2010, 12:59

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Hey!! I did that only last week. Complete success. The tumour was no more. The patient died, but, well, one has to expect collateral damage.

Good point! Once the speed limit is reduced nationally to 50kph and rigorously enforced with mandated GPS units or limiters, the road toll should be largely eliminated.

Severe economic consequences and civil unrest might result, but as you point out, these things happen.

**danchop** · 3rd June 2010, 13:00

well the two motorcyclists killed in ch/ch this morning wont do the motorcyclists stats too well-idiots

**Sentox** · 3rd June 2010, 13:05

Originally Posted by danchop

well the two motorcyclists killed in ch/ch this morning wont do the motorcyclists stats too well-idiots

No helmets, according to police.

**Headbanger** · 3rd June 2010, 13:06

Originally Posted by danchop

well the two motorcyclists killed in ch/ch this morning wont do the motorcyclists stats too well-idiots

what are the chance they were bike thieves rather then bikers.

**onearmedbandit** · 3rd June 2010, 13:08

Originally Posted by danchop

well the two motorcyclists killed in ch/ch this morning wont do the motorcyclists stats too well-idiots

Huh? Obviously you know more than you're letting on. First I've heard of any incidents. Have you got a link handy?

**Headbanger** · 3rd June 2010, 13:10

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Huh? Obviously you know more than you're letting on. First I've heard of any incidents. Have you got a link handy?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3770...torcycle-crash

**Sentox** · 3rd June 2010, 13:11

Originally Posted by http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3769925/No-more-excuses-5km-over-limit-is-now-too-fast

Ms Rose said police would review how effective the 4kmh tolerance zone was before considering whether to use it again. But [Inspector] Wynne said he hoped the change would be permanent as people now got angry for being stopped at 109kmh.