Rear view camera?

[Conquiztador]

surely you'd need at least an EEPROM to decode the signal from the camera and turn it into something watchable? You could probably use the existing chips in a bog standard GPS unit, maybe even find a slightly larger screen and have GPS at the bottom and mirror at the top...

EEPROM (electrically erasable programmable read-only memory) will decode nothing. It is a chip that functions as a memory.

[jeffs]

Well here is the law and like all laws its about interpretation.

So here is my interpretation.

1. A motorbike is a class LC

2. LC's only require to conform to " general safety reqs"

3. The rules for "general safety reqs" that are/maybe applicable to a motorbike.

Rule 5.3
provide, so as to enable a motor vehicle to be operated safely, a clear view to the rear of, as applicable:

* (i) the motor vehicle itself;
* (b) be securely attached to the motor vehicle so as to minimise the risk of injury to the motor vehicle’s occupants, to pedestrians and to other road users in a crash involving the motor vehicle; and
* (c) be mounted on the motor vehicle in a position that will ensure the mirror is sufficiently isolated from vibrations to the extent possible for the class of motor vehicle, so as to enable the driver to have adequate vision as specified in 5.3(1)(a); and
* (d) be adjustable and able to maintain its adjusted position so as to allow the driver to use the rearview mirror as specified in 5.3(1)(a).

5.3(2) In assessing whether the general safety requirements in 5.3(1) are complied with, a person in section 7 may take into account evidence that the rear-view mirror is within the operating limits of the manufacturer of the motor vehicle or manufacturer of the rear-view mirror.

Conclusion:
So it all comes down to two words " as applicable" and one wooly line "The Inspector may take into account evidence that the rear-view mirror is within the operating limits of the manufacturer of the motor vehicle or manufacturer of the rear-view mirror."

And since they are now sold by Manufacturers the " is within the operating limits of the manufacturer of the rear-view mirror" bit is sorted.

http://www.4kamvu.com/bikeeye_wirele...iew_camera.htm

Or just say " no its a camera not a mirror"





The full set if you are bored....................


Land Transport Rule
Glazing, Windscreen Wipe and Wash, and Mirrors 1999 Rule 32012/1
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LC (Motorcycle) A motor vehicle that:

* (a) has two wheels; and
* (b) either:
o (i) has an engine cylinder capacity exceeding 50 ml; or
o (ii) has a maximum speed exceeding 50 km/h.

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5.1

LC, LD, LE1, LE2 Rear-view mirror that complies with general safety reqs

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5.3 General safety requirements

5.3(1) A rear-view mirror must:

* (a) provide, so as to enable a motor vehicle to be operated safely, a clear view to the rear of, as applicable:
o (i) the motor vehicle itself;
o (ii) the motor vehicle’s load;
o (iii) if towing a trailer, the trailer and its load; and
* (b) be securely attached to the motor vehicle so as to minimise the risk of injury to the motor vehicle’s occupants, to pedestrians and to other road users in a crash involving the motor vehicle; and
* (c) be mounted on the motor vehicle in a position that will ensure the mirror is sufficiently isolated from vibrations to the extent possible for the class of motor vehicle, so as to enable the driver to have adequate vision as specified in 5.3(1)(a); and
* (d) be adjustable and able to maintain its adjusted position so as to allow the driver to use the rearview mirror as specified in 5.3(1)(a).

5.3(2) In assessing whether the general safety requirements in 5.3(1) are complied with, a person in section 7 may take into account evidence that the rear-view mirror is within the operating limits of the manufacturer of the motor vehicle or manufacturer of the rear-view mirror.
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[bogan]

Conclusion:
So it all comes down to two words " as applicable" and one wooly line "The Inspector may take into account evidence that the rear-view mirror is within the operating limits of the manufacturer of the motor vehicle or manufacturer of the rear-view mirror."

yeh that was same as what I found. Did you find the specs on the bits you were using?

[jeffs]

The model is a Power Train 3.5inch Reversing Camera system Model: rvs-350 $200 from Repco.

Its not High spec, but As I said it works and is a trial.



screen 3.5 size
4:3
Auto pal-ntsc
12v


camera
1/4 inc Colour Cmos cam
Image device Colour 0v7950
512x492 pixels
resolution 420 lines
min lux 0.5
angle 170 deg

The more I use it the less I keep looking for mirrors that are not there.

So far it's great for getting through traffic, and that is what I was after.

[Conquiztador]

The model is a Power Train 3.5inch Reversing Camera system Model: rvs-350 $200 from Repco.

Its not High spec, but As I said it works and is a trial.

screen 3.5 size
4:3
Auto pal-ntsc
12v


camera
1/4 inc Colour Cmos cam
Image device Colour 0v7950
512x492 pixels
resolution 420 lines
min lux 0.5
angle 170 deg

The more I use it the less I keep looking for mirrors that are not there.

So far it's great for getting through traffic, and that is what I was after.

Any pictures of it fitted?

[tigertim20]

I dont think I would have it. to be honest, while mirrors on alot of bikes (sportsbikes especially) are useless, they do add something cosmetically to the overall shape and look af a bike. for that reason, I wouldnt do it

[jeffs]

I dont think I would have it. to be honest, while mirrors on alot of bikes (sportsbikes especially) are useless, they do add something cosmetically to the overall shape and look af a bike. for that reason, I wouldnt do it

I suppose a Tiger would look funny without ears But Telly Tubby's don't have ears they have a TV screen

God my Honda must be part Telly Tubby

[bogan]

The model is a Power Train 3.5inch Reversing Camera system Model: rvs-350 $200 from Repco.

Its not High spec, but As I said it works and is a trial.



screen 3.5 size
4:3
Auto pal-ntsc
12v


camera
1/4 inc Colour Cmos cam
Image device Colour 0v7950
512x492 pixels
resolution 420 lines
min lux 0.5
angle 170 deg

The more I use it the less I keep looking for mirrors that are not there.

So far it's great for getting through traffic, and that is what I was after.

Sound like pretty common enough specs, slightly under the 640x480 standard, but as near as makes no diff. I got one of them helmet/bar cams today, so will use play round with the res's on that and figure out what sorta distance you get for different res's I'm thinking too low and ojects at 100k speed may become too blurred...

[jeffs]

Sound like pretty common enough specs, slightly under the 640x480 standard, but as near as makes no diff. I got one of them helmet/bar cams today, so will use play round with the res's on that and figure out what sorta distance you get for different res's I'm thinking too low and ojects at 100k speed may become too blurred...

at 120 ( if I was too ride at those speeds officer ) and very
little diff to 50. yes a higher res would be good
but at what point does it become just too expencsive
to be economic.

[jeffs]

Well I talked to a LVV certifier today (the people who certify vehicle modifications ) his advise was very simple. The law is the law. Under the act and the added guidelines

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/stdRearViewMirrors.pdf there is one big out.

The law states that a bike must have one rear view mirror.

It does not stipulate size or type. So he advised that the fitting of a dental mirror facing to the rear fulfilled the laws requirement.

He advised fit a very small mirror to the bike on the RHS of center and when WOFing state that the Rearview cam is an addition to visibility.

This fits the laws requirement 100%, they will look only at the mirror, and the fact that it has one, and must not assess the rear view cam.

That is it !!!!

The mirror can be in a position that is useless to use a a real mirror, as long as it has "one" and it faces back and it is fitted securely you have met all obligations under the act.

He advised against having it LVV certified as spending $400 was a waste of time compared to the cost of a dental mirror.

[imdying]

Nice, bar end mirrors for a WOF, and then take your chances in service

[Headbanger]

I was in Supercheap the other day looking at their range of reversing cams, If I had a spare couple of hundred I would have crabbed one, the wireless unit looked interesting.

It wouldn't bother me if it lost detail at 120km'h, As long as I could see a car in my space then its job is done.

Its still high on my list of desired items.

[bogan]

Well I talked to a LVV certifier today (the people who certify vehicle modifications ) his advise was very simple. The law is the law. Under the act and the added guidelines

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/stdRearViewMirrors.pdf there is one big out.

The law states that a bike must have one rear view mirror.

It does not stipulate size or type. So he advised that the fitting of a dental mirror facing to the rear fulfilled the laws requirement.

He advised fit a very small mirror to the bike on the RHS of center and when WOFing state that the Rearview cam is an addition to visibility.

This fits the laws requirement 100%, they will look only at the mirror, and the fact that it has one, and must not assess the rear view cam.

That is it !!!!

The mirror can be in a position that is useless to use a a real mirror, as long as it has "one" and it faces back and it is fitted securely you have met all obligations under the act.

He advised against having it LVV certified as spending $400 was a waste of time compared to the cost of a dental mirror.

hmmm, thought it might have been something like that, what was the point of getting it lvv certed though? would that mean you don't have to run a little mirror?

[jeffs]

I was in Supercheap the other day looking at their range of reversing cams, If I had a spare couple of hundred I would have crabbed one, the wireless unit looked interesting.

It wouldn't bother me if it lost detail at 120km'h, As long as I could see a car in my space then its job is done.

Its still high on my list of desired items.

The prices are dropping, even a simple one off trademe can be picked up for Under $150 ( wireless ) or about $100 wired.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-293571918.htm

The trick is making waterproof and theft proof.

Once my bracket is complete I will post photos on my finished setup.

[Headbanger]

Interesting, I might get one, Theft proof doesn't bother me, Bike is rarely out of my sight for more then....well....it just doesn't happen, I put it where I can see it.