Why are cops beating speeding motorcyclists?

**marty** · 7th June 2010, 17:26

It's rort - not wrought

I'm not sure I absolutely believe there's no culpability on behalf of the builders, but I'm some flash lawyer has looked down that route. I work in an industry now where no matter what the book says, or the legislation says, if I'm not happy with it I can say NO. If I make an intentional fuck up, I could be criminally liable (as 2 of my peers found out when they were convicted for manslaughter)

**scumdog** · 7th June 2010, 17:47

Originally Posted by marty

It's a shame you didn't pass on to your son the values you are trying to backpedal and extoll on here - something like 'that sounds like a great idea son - you could really make a difference I'm sure. I'll support you 100% in your choice, however you should consider getting a trade first or doing some travelling first - it will give you so many more skills to use when you are in a situation that could give you a way better work story'

What I tell young guys who want to join.

Get a trade

Get some life experience

THEN join.

**Katman** · 7th June 2010, 17:53

Originally Posted by scumdog

What I tell young guys who want to join.

Get a trade

Get some life experience

THEN join.

To be honest, I imagine the extent of the father/son conversation went.........

"You wanna do what????? Are you fuckin stupid????? Those guys are cunts!!!! Get back in your fuckin room!!!!!"

Some kids don't deserve to be saddled with the parents they have.

**AllanB** · 7th June 2010, 18:04

Ha ha I must be on KB!
Post one - bash the cops,
Post three - bash the Harleys.

Personally every time I'm on the bike I expect to be treated as a 'potential speeder' and frankly I'm fine with that. Half the thrill of riding notorcycles over the past 29 years has been or is the ability to instantly 'speed'. No this does not mean I'm always speeding, but there is always the risk I may!!!!!!!! (insert manic laughter).

The Police are not stupid, they are quite aware of the ability of a big bore modern motorcyle and are welcome to stop me for a 'documentation check, sir' as my documents are always up-to-date.

Expect to be pulled over a lot more for checks once the new rego fees hit!

Is it 'right'? Are they 'picking on us?' nah - we are just identified as a pack of hoons in the same way 'boy-racers' get more attention than me when I'm driving the Mitzi Galant! Maybe I should lower it, get some 19's and a big arse muffler!

**Jantar** · 7th June 2010, 18:41

Originally Posted by scumdog

......
but in reality it is sensible policing.

Absolutely. This is traffic policing for road safety. I, for one, have no complaints with this campaign. I also note that the evidence is by photo, so there is no chance of a dodgy ticket either.

**Jantar** · 7th June 2010, 18:45

Originally Posted by Katman

To be honest, I imagine the extent of the father/son conversation went.........

"You wanna do what????? Are you fuckin stupid????? Those guys are cunts!!!! Get back in your fuckin room!!!!!"

Some kids don't deserve to be saddled with the parents they have.

I know one of the constables who gave evidence agains the two accused cops. I also know the advice that his dad would have given him when he decided to join, and it would be all positive. (His dad is a JP and a farmer).

**flyingcrocodile46** · 7th June 2010, 18:52

Originally Posted by marty

yet you expect a Police officer to intimately know all legislation from the last 100 years at the drop of a hat without referring to any books? Make instant calls on legality or not, make all calls 100% and without error, then if it doesn't go their way, they can are criminally liable? I don't see any builder being done for fraud, for building houses that they knew were going to leak bad builders out there that did dumb shit..... .

When did I ever say that I had that sort of expectation of police officers?

Re seeing builder being done for fraud. You just ain't looking in the right places. Go to the DBH web site and check out the links to the determinations if you have the stomach for it. (mind numbing shit). Plenty of builders (who have any money to pay) are being hammered and lots of other parties are. Not always fairly. Take the concrete placing contractor who turned up to an job that he had given a phone quote for. Showed up at the same time as the concrete truck (owner builder project manager fuck up) all the prep was done he just had to place and finish the concrete driveway where he was told and to the levels formed by the boxing provided (as seemingly acknowledged by the adjudicator in the determination).

Yet 8 years later (in his absence) a WHRS determination found he was guilty of forming exterior paved ground levels higher than acceptable solutions allowed and which had subsequently resulted in damage worth less than $10,000 or remediation cost, he was ordered to pay $50,000.

Originally Posted by marty

It's a shame you didn't pass on to your son the values you are trying to backpedal and extoll on here - something like 'that sounds like a great idea son - you could really make a difference I'm sure. I'll support you 100% in your choice, however you should consider getting a trade first or doing some travelling first - it will give you so many more skills to use when you are in a situation that could give you a way better work story'

I'll pay that. I accept that I don't get everything perfect or even right, all the time.

Originally Posted by marty

I'm not sure I absolutely believe there's no culpability on behalf of the builders, ....

Nor should you. They/we are partially to blame.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 7th June 2010, 18:54

Originally Posted by Katman

To be honest, I imagine the extent of the father/son conversation went.........

"You wanna do what????? Are you fuckin stupid????? Those guys are cunts!!!! Get back in your fuckin room!!!!!"

Some kids don't deserve to be saddled with the parents they have.

Funny how our imaginations are tainted by our own experiences with life eh!

**flyingcrocodile46** · 7th June 2010, 18:56

Originally Posted by Spearfish

Yeah I know, he didn't retaliate either so he is the better man.

The acknowledgment of it calls into question the grounds for saying it in my eyes

**Katman** · 7th June 2010, 18:59

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

The acknowledgment of it calls into question the grounds for saying it in my eyes

So lets get this straight.........

You show yourself to be a prize shit-for-brains Dad and it's the fault of someone who gives you negative rep???

**flyingcrocodile46** · 7th June 2010, 19:38

Originally Posted by Katman

So lets get this straight.........

Ever the challenge... I imagine

Originally Posted by Katman

You show yourself to be a prize shit-for-brains Dad and it's the fault of someone who gives you negative rep???

No. What I was referring to was the content of the post I was quoting, not the feedback. (i.e if he acknowledged that my failure to respond to his negative feedback in kind may indicate that I'm a better man then maybe (as he is big enough to consider that) he doesn't have so much grounds to think I am the better man. Maybe not well expressed and possibly a little complicated for the easily so, but nevertheless I am at a total loss as to how you have made the connection that you appear to have made. Are you on drugs?

**Katman** · 7th June 2010, 19:48

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

Are you on drugs?

The way I see it, you've either had a life-changing epiphany or you're embarassed by your parenting skills.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 7th June 2010, 19:53

Originally Posted by Katman

The way I see it, you've either had a life-changing epiphany or you're embarassed by your parenting skills.

Perhaps if you could express your misunderstanding in a way in which people might be expected to be able to accurately interpret, I could elucidate you. Otherwise Fuck off.

**Spearfish** · 7th June 2010, 22:01

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

Ever the challenge... I imagine

No. What I was referring to was the content of the post I was quoting, not the feedback. (i.e if he acknowledged that my failure to respond to his negative feedback in kind may indicate that I'm a better man then maybe (as he is big enough to consider that) he doesn't have so much grounds to think I am the better man. Maybe not well expressed and possibly a little complicated for the easily so, but nevertheless I am at a total loss as to how you have made the connection that you appear to have made. Are you on drugs?

Emotionless text can complicate things..
I gave negative feedback, someone else commented on that negative feedback, the person who got the negative feedback didn't tit for tat me with negative feedback...I gave positive feedback to the commenter of the negative feedback for pointing out the harshness of giving negative feedback in a positive way.