Self defence

[Mudfart]

In the army, you are taught that if you are in combat, and come across an enemy combatants body, then you pump some rounds into it.
The reason being, they might not be dead and are still a threat to yours and your teammates safety and lives.
Who is to say a guy who comes to you with a knife looking for trouble, and even if you "scare" them off with a gun, they won't come back looking for more, bigger trouble?.
Infact its been my experience that burglars who get scared off, will often come back later.
Also, just for note: corrections officers who work daily with the worst offenders in society, are armed with nothing, not even for defense. Don't beleive the media, they do not wear stab proof vests, or use tasers or even pepper spray, or batons.

[duckonin]

wife and I travel a lot of miles in the Summer and we camp in a tent off the road, packed in our gear is a small aluminum kids baseball bat and that sits not far from me in the camp, at night it stays next to me, I will use it in the event of harassment of any type...

[SPman]

My advice to you if you pull out a samurai sword:

1. Know how to use it effectively
2. Be prepared to use it effectively

If you can't do both of those things you really are asking for trouble. If you really can do both of those things, then you probably don't need the sword anyway.

Rule no.1 with weapons - Don't present it if you don't intend to use it! Anyone comes at us with a weapon, we make the presumption they intend to use it. If people present a weapon with intent to scare, then they've lost the plot!

[scumdog]

Nah, guy is asking for trouble...and found it. Doesn't matter what the weapon is, the intent to commit the crime against that person was there...stab the bugger if you ask me.

And then the scenario:

What actually happened: "You got my virgin daughter pregnant you dirty dog? - then die!!!" (stab-stab-stab)

What was said later: "Ah yes my good officer, indeed he vas robbing me and gooness-me, I vas just defending myself, so sad that he died".

Hence the law is the way it is....

[-df-]

And then the scenario:

What actually happened: "You got my virgin daughter pregnant you dirty dog? - then die!!!" (stab-stab-stab)

What was said later: "Ah yes my good officer, indeed he vas robbing me and gooness-me, I vas just defending myself, so sad that he died".

Hence the law is the way it is....

Hmmm, shouldn't the law allow for real self defence, and all cases investigated to ensure the facts are the facts and not assume everyone is a lair?

[Ixion]

Why are cops alowwed to defend themselves and other people aren't. How come they aren't expected just to stay still and be bashed , raped or killed without putting up a struggle?

And, following the official position on self defence, is somneone bashes up a cop, how come the COP doesn't get charged ?

[Smifffy]

Rule no.1 with weapons - Don't present it if you don't intend to use it! Anyone comes at us with a weapon, we make the presumption they intend to use it. If people present a weapon with intent to scare, then they've lost the plot!

Wholeheartedly agree

[Smifffy]

Why are cops alowwed to defend themselves and other people aren't. How come they aren't expected just to stay still and be bashed , raped or killed without putting up a struggle?

And, following the official position on self defence, is somneone bashes up a cop, how come the COP doesn't get charged ?

Dude, WTF? Everybody has the right to defend themselves, they must however use only reasonable force. As somebody posted earlier, in certain instances that includes deadly force.

After the Navtej Singh fiasco I can hardly blame any shopkeepers for arming themselves, clearly once the poo has impacted the rotary cooling device, the cops will be in no hurry to render assistance.

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.

[Ixion]

I totally agree. Unfortunately, the authorities do not.

[duckonin]

Why are cops alowwed to defend themselves and other people aren't. How come they aren't expected just to stay still and be bashed , raped or killed without putting up a struggle?

IXION cops 'shoot and kill' in self defence even before there is need for defence, but the public are not allowed to do just that, else we would have 'dead cunts' everywhere

[scumdog]

but the public are not allowed to do just that, else we would have 'dead cunts' everywhere

Given the mentality of some of the posters on KB it's a bloody good thing thay can't do as you suggested.

Although on the news there is a pair of losers about to face an unpleasant holiday for taking the law into their own hands....

[duckonin]

S.D. I would go along with what you say about some on KB but they still have the right to self defence;Now SD once upon a time cops were min six feet well built and could handle easerly mutts going bad, but now !!! well you can fill that in..

Those taking tha law into their own hands on the new's I cannot find that article...please enlighten me..

[Ixion]

Given the mentality of some of the posters on KB it's a bloody good thing thay can't do as you suggested.

Although on the news there is a pair of losers about to face an unpleasant holiday for taking the law into their own hands....

I'm not aware of the case you posit. However, nowadays it is certainly true that if people don't take the law into their own hands, it won't be in anyones hands. The police are not interested

Once upon a time, the only defence for anyone was their own hands (prefaerably with a sharp sword in them) . Then the state said "no no, you leave it to us, the police will defend you". But now, the police have reneged on that basic contract. So it's pretty inevitable that sooner or later people will start saying "Well, I guess it's down to me. No-one else is going to protect me or my family". The social contract that we call the Rule of Law has collapsed, and we are slowly but steadily moving back toward a world where the ONLY law is that which people take into their own hands.

[scumdog]

S.D. I would go along with what you say about some on KB but they still have the right to self defence;Now SD once upon a time cops were min six feet well built and could handle easerly mutts going bad, but now !!! well you can fill that in..

Those taking tha law into their own hands on the new's I cannot find that article...please enlighten me..

Take away all cops under 6' tall and you would have a force half the size..

[schrodingers cat]

I was always taught - "Point a gun at someone and you are giving them permission to kill you"

Same for knives