Senior Police Officer let off drink/drive charge

[red mermaid]

I doubt if he is safe yet.

I would imagine he is now facing an employment hearing internally and if his conduct is found sufficiently wanting could still be dismissed from the Police.

[Smifffy]

Note that is a senior constable, whereas this one is a seargent. So the higher ranked "officer" got a better result.

Good point. That makes it better.

[Smifffy]

I doubt if he is safe yet.

I would imagine he is now facing an employment hearing internally and if his conduct is found sufficiently wanting could still be dismissed from the Police.

His conduct doesn't matter. He does good work, the judge said so.

[SPman]

a few years ago, approx 2006-7?, a canterbury rugby player was charged with beating his missus or summin', i can't remember much. what i do remember is the way he got let off.

One of many....Rugby seems to hold even more sway over magistrates, than the Plice!

[p.dath]

I doubt if he is safe yet.

I would imagine he is now facing an employment hearing internally and if his conduct is found sufficiently wanting could still be dismissed from the Police.

Remember, there was no conviction - no record of being found "guilty". It would be pretty shaky ground to try and discipline an employee when a Judge failed to find them guilty. I imagine it would be a pretty short hearing in the employment court as a result ...

[scumdog]

Negative. No ordinary member of the public would have had the conviction discharged.

It HAS happened.

Not saying I approve in any event, this time or at any other.

[scumdog]

Remember, there was no conviction - no record of being found "guilty ...

It won't matter, he is still going to face an internal hearing with a 'not-so-good' outcome for him.

[scumdog]

His conduct doesn't matter. He does good work, the judge said so.

The Judge is not his boss.

And the Judge don't pay his salary.....

[Smifffy]

Remember, there was no conviction - no record of being found "guilty". It would be pretty shaky ground to try and discipline an employee when a Judge failed to find them guilty. I imagine it would be a pretty short hearing in the employment court as a result ...

Yes, but remember they have different procedures and rules that the rest of us mere mortals could never understand. Law, including employment law, is applied differently to the police, as this very thread demonstrates. That is the only way the police can operate effectively as a force.

[avgas]

So if I take your post correctly then what you are saying is that the NZ Police should be subject to different employment laws than the rest of the country?
It is actually very hard to fire someone CORRECTLY with out being subject to a PG.
And while I am on it, feel free to google 'special circumstances' in relation to the law.

You would be supprised.
However unlike the public sector - they don't push you. You cant be seen to fire someone from the cops, however you can setup the sword they fall on.
In his case it would be off the beat, into an office, out of the office, into the back office.......until he quits.

Regardless to say he wouldn't be a cop anymore.....

[avgas]

Yes, but remember they have different procedures and rules that the rest of us mere mortals could never understand. Law, including employment law, is applied differently to the police, as this very thread demonstrates. That is the only way the police can operate effectively as a force.

Yes and no.
Its not really a case of the law being different. But when you think about it when you become a cop you do it for a reason.
To change career is not really a consideration.
To be fired as a cop........what the hell do you do next.
Kinda like the first divorce for most men. Would take a lot to get to your feet again.

[Smifffy]

Yes and no.
Its not really a case of the law being different. But when you think about it when you become a cop you do it for a reason.
To change career is not really a consideration.
To be fired as a cop........what the hell do you do next.
Kinda like the first divorce for most men. Would take a lot to get to your feet again.

The law is the same. It is applied differently. Judging by the cops they promote (even all the way to the top in some cases), the ones they fire must be pretty effin bad.

[Smifffy]

In my view, the judge should have convicted this guy, given him the going rate with regards to disqual, fine or comm service. If he truly does good work and shouldn't be sacked from the force then surely that is for his superiors to decide, and the matter of him keeping or losing his job is an employment matter.

[Indoo]

Discharges without conviction are pretty common, less so though in relation to drink driving.
Depends very much on the Judge even 'prospective' careers can count.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/front-page...ectid=10476741

[Smifffy]

Discharges without conviction are pretty common, less so though in relation to drink driving.
Depends very much on the Judge even 'prospective' careers can count.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/front-page...ectid=10476741

Yeah, I had some misguided idea that in recent times there was a zero tolerance approach to drink driving. Even morning-after driving.