Speed guns

**SMOKEU** · 19th June 2010, 22:20

Originally Posted by scumdog

Ehh???

NONE of them were driving the cars they owned.

But it cost them $1,500 each for not saying who WAS driving them...

I thought that if each person claimed ignorance, the courts would throw out the charges over something like that, which is difficult to prove.

**scumdog** · 19th June 2010, 22:23

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

I thought that if each person claimed ignorance, the courts would throw out the charges over something like that, which is difficult to prove.

You own a car?

Won't say who was driving it at certain place/time/date?

It might cost you $1,500 for saying nothing.

"I thought" is very dangerous when it comes to the law.

It's almost as bad as saying "I was just...."

**SMOKEU** · 19th June 2010, 22:28

Originally Posted by scumdog

You own a car?

Won't say who was driving it at certain place/time/date?

It might cost you $1,500 for saying nothing.

Picture this for a scenario:
I let a friend of mine borrow my car, I will call him 'friend A'
Without my knowledge, 'friend A' lets his friend, who I will call 'friend B' drive my car
'Friend B' causes a 1V and de-camps from the scene in the vehicle
A witness records the plates of my car and informs police.

The police come knocking on my door, and I tell police that 'friend A' was driving, but 'friend A' says that 'friend B' was driving
I do not know who 'friend B' is, and 'friend A' claims that 'friend B' is someone who he doesn't know the name of.

What will happen then?

**scumdog** · 19th June 2010, 22:32

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Picture this for a scenario:
I let a friend of mine borrow my car, I will call him 'friend A'
Without my knowledge, 'friend A' lets his friend, who I will call 'friend B' drive my car
'Friend B' causes a 1V and de-camps from the scene in the vehicle
A witness records the plates of my car and informs police.

The police come knocking on my door, and I tell police that 'friend A' was driving, but 'friend A' says that 'friend B' was driving
I do not know who 'friend B' is, and 'friend A' claims that 'friend B' is someone who he doesn't know the name of.

What will happen then?

As mentioned above, possibly a $1,500 fine.

Of course that's not as bad as the $10,000 max.

(Fuck, the fuzz get shit like that all the time: "Aw, I dunno who was driving boss" even when said driver is standing beside them with the keys (screw-driver?) in his hands....big surprise, - people LIE man, they lie heaps..and then they wonder why the fuzz gets cynical..)

**SMOKEU** · 19th June 2010, 22:35

Originally Posted by scumdog

As mentioned above, possibly a $1,500 fine.

Of course that's not as bad as the $10,000 max.

(Fuck, the fuzz get shit like that all the time: "Aw, I dunno who was driving boss" even when said driver is standing beside them with the keys (screw-driver?) in his hands....big surprise, - people LIE man, they lie heaps..and then they wonder why the fuzz gets cynical..)

Fair enough, the police must have the patience of a saint to put up with that kind of bullshit.

**Muppet** · 20th June 2010, 11:33

Originally Posted by marty

Land Transport Act 1998 No 110 (as at 03 March 2010),

118 Owner or hirer or licence holder to give information as to identity of driver or passenger

(1) If an enforcement officer has reasonable cause to believe that the driver of a vehicle has committed an offence while in charge of the vehicle, the officer may request the owner or hirer of the vehicle to give all information in his or her possession or obtainable by him or her which may lead to the identification and apprehension of the driver of the vehicle.

Just remember this is the obligation. The offence is failing to furnsh those details. Failing means you didn't, whether you refused or your wife's mate didn't know who he lent the car to blah blah blah. As the owner you are responsible and it's you who gets charged. Cos the courts see this crap all the time they'll know what's going on and just fine yer!

**davereid** · 20th June 2010, 12:03

Originally Posted by Ixion

After she returned home, she got a ticket in the mail. Speeding . The police had gotten her name etc from the rental car company. Not a bad one, but she knew that she was not the driver. She wrote and told them that , and told them who the actual driver was . Her acquaintance was happy to take the rap, and even wrote a letter , to accompany hers, admitting to the offence, providing details etc.

Mate, that has to be a "gimme" in court.

Prosecution. "We photographed a red Toyota speeding, blah blah it was registered to Sunny Day Car Rentals who told us Jane Doe was the hirer. "

Judge "Jane Doe what is your defence."

Jane "I was the hirer your honour, but I was not the driver. I told the police this but its me they are prosecuting anyway"

Judge "Can you prove this"

Jane "yes Fred was driving and he is here as a witness"

Judge " For fucks sake. Go home girl."

**Gremlin** · 21st June 2010, 01:10

as muppet says, as the owner of the vehicle it is basically your responsibility to know who was driving at any time. Simply saying you don't know isn't going to fool anyone. Max is $10k and/or 3 months in jail I think.

**ukusa** · 21st June 2010, 01:45

Originally Posted by scumdog

(Fuck, the fuzz get shit like that all the time: "Aw, I dunno who was driving boss" even when said driver is standing beside them with the keys (screw-driver?) in his hands....big surprise, - people LIE man, they lie heaps..and then they wonder why the fuzz gets cynical..)

It's a natural reaction isn't it? What's the main reason they lie? they don't want to pay a fine.
It might be bloody obvious they're guilty, but hey, who really loves parting with some of their hard earned?

My brother got a letter in the mail a few years ago saying he was observed "driving through a orange light". He was asked to provide the details of the driver. His reply was that it was a company car, and it could have been as many as 4 different people driving it that day, but there was no log book kept and it was a couple of weeks prior so no-one could remember. He supplied all the names. After about 3 or 4 letters later with threats, the original officer for some reason found the need to pass into onto a more senior officer to handle. Another couple of letters & a court date set, 6 months down the track the action was eventually withdrawn because of lack of evidence. Put in the too hard basket I think.

**miloking** · 21st June 2010, 04:44

Originally Posted by ukusa

It's a natural reaction isn't it? What's the main reason they lie? they don't want to pay a fine.
It might be bloody obvious they're guilty, but hey, who really loves parting with some of their hard earned?

My brother got a letter in the mail a few years ago saying he was observed "driving through a orange light". He was asked to provide the details of the driver. His reply was that it was a company car, and it could have been as many as 4 different people driving it that day, but there was no log book kept and it was a couple of weeks prior so no-one could remember. He supplied all the names. After about 3 or 4 letters later with threats, the original officer for some reason found the need to pass into onto a more senior officer to handle. Another couple of letters & a court date set, 6 months down the track the action was eventually withdrawn because of lack of evidence. Put in the too hard basket I think.

Cool so all i need to do is live at the same address with four people that have motorcycle licence and each time any of us does a runner and cops come knocking on a door we will say we share that "one" bike and cant remember who had it that day

Awesome...thanks guys lots of helpful info in this thread!

**ukusa** · 21st June 2010, 11:58

Originally Posted by miloking

Cool so all i need to do is live at the same address with four people that have motorcycle licence and each time any of us does a runner and cops come knocking on a door we will say we share that "one" bike and cant remember who had it that day

Awesome...thanks guys lots of helpful info in this thread!

no chance for you miloboy, you would have to find 4 people willing to admit riding a Honda first.

**warewolf** · 21st June 2010, 12:17

Originally Posted by scumdog

- the fuzz LIE man, they lie heaps..and then they wonder why people gets cynical..)

Fixed.

**miloking** · 21st June 2010, 12:26

Originally Posted by ukusa

no chance for you miloboy, you would have to find 4 people willing to admit riding a Honda first.

touche

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**SPman** · 21st June 2010, 13:28

Originally Posted by scumdog

I looked in the mirror to see the one I did see.

Yeah.....but all those motorists on the road. Who'da believed it.......

**scumdog** · 21st June 2010, 17:37

Originally Posted by miloking

Cool so all i need to do is live at the same address with four people that have motorcycle licence and each time any of us does a runner and cops come knocking on a door we will say we share that "one" bike and cant remember who had it that day

Awesome...thanks guys lots of helpful info in this thread!

Goood one, it's worked for everybody that's ever tried it, you should definitely follow that plan...