Nelson blitz on bikers...

[sinfull]

We are the world champions ! ?

[miloking]

We are the world champions ! ?

italy was but as far iam concerned all whites could be as well now...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Come to Christchurch. Only about $100 for any Tuesday or Friday at Ruapuna. Half that if you're a member of the Canterbury Car Club.

or Motorcycling Canterbury

[Roadsafe Nelson]

Hi Jen, I hear on the grapevine that Motorcycling New Zealand has been working hard to get a better deal for motorcyclists in your area,even presenting to the Regional Land Transport Committee and the TDC, any truth?

Absolutley! There are lots of things happening around here at the moment!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

As I said, if they're doing this with the right attitude then good on them.

You could cut some slack to the poor old po po who has to pull you over because of this misguided direction from on high. Of course the "we're only following orders" defence didnt work and shouldn't work at Nuremberg, and shouldn't be accepted here.

Lets just get this straight: A reasonable, responsible tax and rate paying citizen, out and about on a perfectly legitemate recreational activity can be expected to be pulled over, harassed, and in fact targeted for harassment, based only on their preferred recreational vehicle: and some of you are OK with that? What the hell?. It is outright fascism, nothing more or less.

So no matter what their attitude is, they're wrong.

[Ixion]

Worse, once stopped (based on vehicle choice), the degree of harassment apparently depnds on your age and gender. That loud Gah, thunk is the Human Rights Commissioner having a conniption fit

Though I think that it could be done legally and approriately.

Instead of "Officer Bumblebee, I hates them bloody middleaged Jafas coming down here on their bloody motorbikes, and crashing, making me have to fill in lots of paperwork, and my stats look bad. Make sure you harrass their arses off, so they don't come back",

one could have "Officer Bumblebee, please stop any motorcyclists that may not be familiar with our roads and explain that , whilst we are very pleased to see them enjoying our wonderful roads, said roads can be a bit tricky, and some people have recently come to grief. And offer assistance and advice to faciliate their having a happy and safe motorcycling experience".

Same result, very different appraoch. the latter is entirely legal and appropriate IMHO. And I must state that I am not entirely clear where on a spectrum between those two attitudes the actual events in Nelson fall.

[fossil]

"Whilst out riding with friends a couple of months ago, we were pulled over at one such checkpoint in the Whangamoas (heading towards Blenheim). Motorcyclists were taken to the side, our rego/wof/riding gear & licences were checked. Bottled water & refreshments were offered.

In attendance at the checkpoint were a variety of people. The Police, The Tasman District Council & the local Nelson Injury Prevention Office for ACC. They were interested in collecting information from the motorcyclists stopped, on what our concerns were when riding on the road.. eg: gravel/road works & lack of signage, other road users, road conditions etc. Feedback from this collected information is to be handed onto the relevant organisations concerned.. eg: roading companies

As a result of the information collected a flier has just been released locally with relevant contact details available for motorcyclists to contact & raise their concerns to.

To note.. ALL traffic was stopped at this checkpoint & ALL licence's/rego & wofs were checked, not just motorcyclists.

Feedback I heard from the TDC was that a very high proportion of the bikers stopped were correctly licenced & had current rego/wofs.. & were wearing appropriate gear.

Personally I felt heard & respected by the people conducting the checkpoint."

This was from post #23 on this thread.
Ixion,You really do need to stop listening to your own publicity and spiel. It is no wonder that the message gets lost in the Bronz translation most of the time.

[Ixion]

Big, big difference.

From the post you quoted

To note.. ALL traffic was stopped at this checkpoint & ALL licence's/rego & wofs were checked, not just motorcyclists.

Whereas the newspaper reprot definately implies ONLY bikes (granted, that may be journalistic licence).But "police would be asked to spend 15 minutes of their shift time to stop and check motorcycle and moped riders." seems pretty clear on bikes only.

Just occured to me, also, - mopeds? How many of these evil baby-raping crashing middleaged returning riders are on MOPEDS FFS ? That seems to make his whole attitude pretty suss. Looks a lot more like just an anto-two-wheeler crusade.

[CookMySock]

My 17 y/o kid (class 1,6) regularly gets stopped by the fuzz and gone over with the fine tooth comb. He enjoys smirking at them as they go through his docs and find him squeaky clean.

Steve

[Roadsafe Nelson]

Just occured to me, also, - mopeds? How many of these evil baby-raping crashing middleaged returning riders are on MOPEDS FFS ? That seems to make his whole attitude pretty suss. Looks a lot more like just an anto-two-wheeler crusade.

Crikey Ixion.. settle pettle.. before you pop a fu fu.. step away from the computer.. breathe.. & have a nice cup of tea...

This is the local Police in little ole Nelson we're talking about.. not the firing squad in central Ak

My Roadsafe posters, brochures & cards are in the local Police stations.. & riders are being made aware of training opportunities at the check points.

The traffic Police here know me & support me 100% with traffic management for the Rescue Helicopter Charity Ride I organise. They are not a bunch of biker haters! & this is not a witch hunt! several of them ride bikes themselves.

Yes, bikers are going to be getting pulled over & their bikes, rego,wof, licences etc checked.. but if you are all licenced correctly, you ride responsibly, & you take responsibility for yourself & your actions instead of all out blaming other people for accidents.. then what have you got to worry about!

[red mermaid]

I think he may have been sniffing his expense account at BRONZ too closely and its all gone to his head.

Crikey Ixion.. settle pettle.. before you pop a fu fu.. step away from the computer.. breathe.. & have a nice cup of tea...

This is the local Police in little ole Nelson we're talking about.. not the firing squad in central Ak

My Roadsafe posters, brochures & cards are in the local Police stations.. & riders are being made aware of training opportunities at the check points.

The traffic Police here know me & support me 100% with traffic management for the Rescue Helicopter Charity Ride I organise. They are not a bunch of biker haters! & this is not a witch hunt! several of them ride bikes themselves.

Yes, bikers are going to be getting pulled over & their bikes, rego,wof, licences etc checked.. but if you are all licenced correctly, you ride responsibly, & you take responsibility for yourself & your actions instead of all out blaming other people for accidents.. then what have you got to worry about!

[Ixion]

.. Yes, bikers are going to be getting pulled over & their bikes, rego,wof, licences etc checked.. but if you are all licenced correctly, you ride responsibly, & you take responsibility for yourself & your actions instead of all out blaming other people for accidents.. then what have you got to worry about!

Now I am worried. Whenever anyone comes up with the "if you're doing nothing wrong what have you to worry about" line you know that somebody's liberty is in danger.

I remember a previous cop, Gideon Tait.

Here's a quote of his tactics

I saturated the place with tough cops. I told them to concentrate on drink. Book them if they showed signs of drunkenness; watch for motorbikes in an unsafe mechanical condition. The tactic was to keep at them and force them out of town.

Drink won't work now, so subsitute licences. Sounds familiar.

I also remember the effect that these campaigns had on the ordinary mortorcyclist. It was common to be refused service at gas stations or shops in smaller towns . The locals had been briefed by the local police .

Sometimes groups of motorcyclists, not gangs , just friends out for a ride, would be stopped on the outskirts of towns and told to turn back the way they came. Or else. Riders (once again, just ordinary motorcyclists not gang members) would be stopped , sometimes a dozen times in a day. The interrogations (that is the only term suitable) were prolonged , threatening and aggressive. Calculated to try to elict a response, which could then justify an arrest.

So, that's what I have to fear.

Sure, that's not happening in Nelson, now. Not now. How about next month, or next year ?

Oh, and Mr Tait also had his problems with cops who symapthised with bikers

There was also a tendency for some of the immature police and traffic officers to become too friendly with the goons on the bikes

He soon put a stop to that.

How many of the Nelson crashes have involved mopeds, anyway?

[dipshit]

Now I am worried.

This is what Ixion is worried about... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129786007

[Roadsafe Nelson]

Now I am worried. Whenever anyone comes up with the "if you're doing nothing wrong what have you to worry about" line you know that somebody's liberty is in danger. I remember a previous cop, Gideon Tait. Here's a quote of his tactics

Personally I feel you are blowing this way out of proportion. Remember, I live in Nelson & I deal with several of these people quite regularly, they are not who you are trying to make them out to be. I am out on the bike nearly every day.. so I will be keeping an eye out on how things go when these checks all start happening & I will report back with my findings & observations ok.

I also remember the effect that these campaigns had on the ordinary mortorcyclist. It was common to be refused service at gas stations or shops in smaller towns . Sometimes groups of motorcyclists, not gangs , just friends out for a ride, would be stopped on the outskirts of towns and told to turn back the way they came. Or else. Riders (once again, just ordinary motorcyclists not gang members) would be stopped , sometimes a dozen times in a day. The interrogations (that is the only term suitable) were prolonged , threatening and aggressive. Calculated to try to elict a response, which could then justify an arrest.

Now this is just silly Ixion !

[Katman]

Now this is just silly Ixion !

Get used to it.