Nelson blitz on bikers...

[roogazza]

Hm

Supt. Knowles statement : "[B]middle-aged man thing". "[Riders] just appear to be coming up here, if I'm brutally honest, with their midlife crisis and riding around and dying," he (Superintendent Knowles) said".

Jesus , that's made my day Ixion, So Knowles made Superintendent ! I recall him (Gary) as a young Police Cadet (in the days they had them) in my class ! Fuck , how old am I ! Gaz.

[oldrider]

Most of our protestations about how statistics are being misrepresented against us would get a hell of a lot more traction if:

"we weren't actually contributing to the statistics so much"

It would probably be to our advantage to reduce that trend if we want to be appreciated as responsible motorists!

So who is it that has the personal responsibility and accountability for that?

[duckonin]

Its that whole "group" thing methinks.The idea of being instructed by a bunch of ex hell raisers that either had no natural ability and kept falling off for no good reason or did have ability but couldnt sober up for more than 12 hours at a time so simply went out and bought cruisers and hooked up with likemindeds just doesnt work for me,worse still they impart this wisdom to those they perceive as lesser mortals.

Do you actually believe the crap you write ? or are your words of your own experience ?

[Ixion]

Note that that is NOT what RoadSafe are doing. They are bringing external training & skills IN to the Ulysses. (and it is being offered, not enforced)

MY problem with the police in Nelson is that they regularly spout off emotive specious crap in the papers which is at odds with the data. Then they come out with cockameeny schemes like this blitz which are purely about being seen to be doing something, rather than doing something, and just piss off people who are already trying to do the right thing. They are also pushing the boundaries of civil liberties while they are at it.

I see way too many incidences of cops ignoring utterly blatant dangerous driving right under their noses that I just can't believe any of them give the slightest shit about road safety.

And is it just me who's noticed the glaring omission in their justification? They've only mentioned fatalities. Including all the injury crashes, who was at fault??

The thread title was 'Blitz on bikers". About what the police are doing.

What Roadsafe and TDC are doing is a completely separate matter.

The latter(Roadsafe/TDC) is entirely commendable IMHO.

The former (police) is more suspect. It might be deprecable or it might not. It really depends on how the individual coppers interpret their bosses very one-eyed attitude. But , at best, it appears to be something that will be of little if any value, other than boosting ticket figures.

But whatever the police do doesn't really impinge on the RS/TDC projects.

I think Nelson does not have bikie cops, so it will always be hard for the Nelson police to establish credibility with bikers. The amount of total (and dangerous) crap about "how to ride a motorbike" that I have solemnly been told by non-riding cops over the years would fill a book.

[Ixion]

Maybe its just me... but every time someone has claimed they "care" for me, they have always wanted to follow that up with advice. Then after the advice, some more rules. And then actual interference with the way I do things. Normally they find a way to stop me doing something I like, and/or take money off me. Still, its for my own good.

There are two types of people in the world. Those who, when the man at the door says "I'm from the government, I'm here to help you", open the door wider and invite him in

And those who slam the door in has face and run for the shotgun, knowing thta this is not going to be for their benefit.

I am of the latter persuasion

[Flip]

There are two types of people in the world. Those who, when the man at the door says "I'm from the government, I'm here to help you", open the door wider and invite him in

And those who slam the door in has face and run for the shotgun, knowing thta this is not going to be for their benefit.

I am of the latter persuasion

So this has very little to do with bike safety and a lot to do with you making a political statement.

[Ixion]

So this has very little to do with bike safety and a lot to do with you making a political statement.

More about bike safety , at any rate, than the police blitz has to do with bike safety, which is absolutely nothing.

[Willdat?]

Hi,
As a follow on from feedback from some motorbike riders it was found that riders were unsure on who to contact if they came across a road safety issue whilst out riding. So I have put together some details to let all riders know who to contact and report these issues to. I cannot guarantee we can fix everything, but if we do not know there is an issue then we defiantly cannot fix it.
So to report loose gravel, trees obscuring signs, oils spills etc….
• phone one of the numbers below
• give accurate details of where and what needs fixing
• say you're a motorcyclist

Tasman District roads - 03 543 8400
State Highways - 0800 4 HIGHWAYS
Nelson City roads- 03 546 0200 or www.nelsoncitycouncil.co.nz/fix-a-gram
I have also put this information into a flyer that I have given out to motorbike shops and forwarded for club newsletters. But if you would like to have some of these to give out to other riders then please do not hesitate to contact me.
Krista Hobday
Road Safety Coordinator
Tasman District Council
.

More on the pro-TDC wagon, received this email today

[Flip]

More about bike safety , at any rate, than the police blitz has to do with bike safety, which is absolutely nothing.

What do you honestly expect the Police to do? All they can do is police the road code, thats all. They do set the regulations or make policy all they do is enforcement.

If you have a problem because your personal ideas about human rights are being questioned take it up with the human rights commission.

If Tasman is a motorcycle accident hot spot, and I appreciate knowing about this because I am from this area, then the only and correct response from the Police is to step up the enforcement in this area.

[miloking]

What do you honestly expect the Police to do? All they can do is police the road code, thats all. They do set the regulations or make policy all they do is enforcement.

If you have a problem because your personal ideas about human rights are being questioned take it up with the human rights commission.

If Tasman is a motorcycle accident hot spot, and I appreciate knowing about this because I am from this area, then the only and correct response from the Police is to step up the enforcement in this area.

Yes please, police the fucking road code...but what has stoping ANY bike that is not even breaking any rules to do with policing road code?

Also If tasman is motorcycle accident hot spot...now you know and so do we, and stepping up enforcement is just fine...but again what has stopping all bikes to do with enforcement when they didnt break any rules.

Fuck its like Iam the only one here taking crazy pills or something....doesnt any of you see how this is wrong, assuming guilt where there isnt one based on type of transport people choose!!! (unless of course all this hype about safety is just disguise to check regos...within next 3 months)

[fossil]

"Fuck its like Iam the only one here taking crazy pills or something."
Don't worry miloking your'e not alone, Ixion is keeping you company.

[Flip]

The Police already have all the authority they like to pull you over and check your license, wof, rego and breath test you when ever they like. They only need reasonable grounds to do a search but thats all.

It's not right or wrong, they are not assuming guilt and you have no choice but to stop (unless you think you can do a runner and get away with it).

You and Ixion really do need to take a few sensible pills.

[scumdog]

Fuck its like Iam the only one here taking crazy pills or something....doesnt any of you see how this is wrong, assuming guilt where there isnt one based on type of transport people choose!!! (unless of course all this hype about safety is just disguise to check regos...within next 3 months)

Yes, it IS like you are the only one here taking crazy pills.

I am waiting to see a post from anybody in the Nelson area that has been stopped by cops - more so if they've been stopped more than once.

And let us know how it felt to have their 'rights' breached - or how it felt to be targetted as a minority.

Most likely they would have more important things in their lives than worrying about that sort of stuff.

[sinned]

It is so long since I have been stopped by a cop (I think my demerits have expired) I thought I might put the bike on the ferry and head to Nelson. Nice roads in them parts.

[HenryDorsetCase]

There are two types of people in the world. Those who, when the man at the door says "I'm from the government, I'm here to help you", open the door wider and invite him in

And those who slam the door in has face and run for the shotgun, knowing thta this is not going to be for their benefit.

I am of the latter persuasion

Assuming, as one does, that you have a valid firearm licence, and that you believe that you or another is in imminent danger of their life, then, Bravo!