Why are cops beating speeding motorcyclists?

[Katman]

haha the irony is that i dont even ride nowhere near as fast as 80% bikers....i just like to defend freedom of choice. And hate when "other" people think they have god given right to tell us what to do...

When your actions affect my motorcycling freedom I have every right to tell you to pull your fucking head in.

[Banditbandit]

Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaa, but eat me if you dare....... this little sheepy bites back.

If we were able to have a society with no rules or laws some people would be delighted. I'm pretty sure though a large number of ordinary peace loving citizens would live in fear for their lives as society's predators would have even less reason to hold back from their bullying and antisocial behaviour. Tarring with the same brush? Of course it happens, but some people rise above that. Others pout and sulk when their own deliberate actions cause them grief whether it be from the law, the olds, or the spouse.

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Im not suggesting there be no laws ... I am simply saying that some people obey them because they are the laws ... that's a brainwashed viewpoint ... Of course there needs to be laws .. there are other reasons to obey them than just because the Authority Figures say we should ... and we should each find our own reasons for obeying the laws ... if that's what we do.

You can sit back and meekly allow that to happen if you wish. Me - I'd prefer to do whatever I can to rid motorcycling of the 'law unto one's self' attitude that's killing it.

Yeah ! ... catch me if you can .. or dare ....

What? so are you a gang rapist or not?
Couldn't quite get what you were meaning could you please go into a bit more detail?

I was never a member of a patched club - or ever convicted of any criminal offence .. just got tarred with that brush because I rode in black leathers, cut-off denims over the top and had long hair ... just a rebel biker... It wasn't that hard to understand was it?

Then take it to a track fuckhead.

Naaaa ... it's the rebellion of the speed on the open road that does it ... now an old rebel biker ... with short hair and a straight job ... I've only got two forms of rebellion left - smoking and speed ... and yeah .. but something's got to kill ya ...

[BoristheBiter]

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Im not suggesting there be no laws ... I am simply saying that some people obey them because they are the laws ... that's a brainwashed viewpoint ... Of course there needs to be laws .. there are other reasons to obey them than just because the Authority Figures say we should ... and we should each find our own reasons for obeying the laws ... if that's what we do.

So who chooses what laws should or shouldn't be obeyed??
I think you have just shot down your own argument here.

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I was never a member of a patched club - or ever convicted of any criminal offence .. just got tarred with that brush because I rode in black leathers, cut-off denims over the top and had long hair ... just a rebel biker... It wasn't that hard to understand was it

Sorry just being ironic but i guess you missed that bit.

[Banditbandit]

The retarded viewpoint that motorcycles are provided for the express means of disregarding society's expectation of how we should interact on public roads is precisely what will see the end of motorcycling.

That's crap ... Hollister did not see the end of motorcycling ... and peope have been complaining about bikes on the road since they were invented ... Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Edward Lawrence was killed on the road , racing a Brough Superior against an airplane ... plenty of history of motorcycles and speed on the roads ...

If they legilsiate bikes off the rod because of speed, then they will turn their attention to cars .. because plenty of them speed as well ...

[Banditbandit]

Because we still have some freedoms left. Like it or not, with freedom comes responsibility.

But be careful - the Ozzie Govt nearly outlawed V8's after the GTHO. What's to stop the NZ Govt outlawing any bikes with more than 80HP ?

Hmm ... my 80hp bike goes past 200 klicks ...

[Banditbandit]

So who chooses what laws should or shouldn't be obeyed??
I think you have just shot down your own argument here.



Sorry just being ironic but i guess you missed that bit.

Freedom means we make our own choices. But along with freedom goes total responsibility. I'm responsible for my own actions - with all the consequences. We make out choices based on our own ethics ... at least those of us who are aware do .. the rest just follow like sheep . or Katman

Sod it ... this was a thread about cops beating up on bikers .. not the place for anarchist theory - it's a sunny day ... get out there and twist the throttle - damm ... that's right ... I'm taking the consequences of my actions and have no licence ... not worth the risk of riding without it ...

Irony's hard to do in writing ...

[BoristheBiter]

Freedom means we make our own choices. But along with freedom goes total responsibility. I'm responsible for my own actions - with all the consequences. We make out choices based on our own ethics ... at least those of us who are aware do .. the rest just follow like sheep . or Katman

Sod it ... this was a thread about cops beating up on bikers .. not the place for anarchist theory - it's a sunny day ... get out there and twist the throttle - damm ... that's right ... I'm taking the consequences of my actions and have no licence ... not worth the risk of riding without it ...

Irony's hard to do in writing ...

Ok so you say, (in your opinion), that you have the freedom to ride how and when you like and will take the consequences when you get pinged for said deeds. very few on here would admit to that.
I have nothing against resaoning that as I, like a lot here, speed and when i get a ticket i just pay it and move on.

Now if you take that and put it against this thread (cops beating bikers) then, (in their opinion), they had the freedom to beat the biker for how ever long they felt like and take the consequences when they got caught.

So yes i guess your right.

[Banditbandit]

Ok so you say, (in your opinion), that you have the freedom to ride how and when you like and will take the consequences when you get pinged for said deeds. very few on here would admit to that.
I have nothing against resaoning that as I, like a lot here, speed and when i get a ticket i just pay it and move on.

Now if you take that and put it against this thread (cops beating bikers) then, (in their opinion), they had the freedom to beat the biker for how ever long they felt like and take the consequences when they got caught.

So yes i guess your right.

Yes. I'll give the cops the freedom to beat me - so long as I can beat them back and not get arrested for it ... otherwise it's double force on their side .. their own and the state's .. if they want to use their own force on me, then I can use it back on them ...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Rules and laws are made for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools.

Waves to Katman.

[BoristheBiter]

Yes. I'll give the cops the freedom to beat me - so long as I can beat them back and not get arrested for it ... otherwise it's double force on their side .. their own and the state's .. if they want to use their own force on me, then I can use it back on them ...

See thats where your argument falls down. see first you talk of freedom of choice, then consquences of that freedom but now you say you should be above the law.

If the cops get busted for beating someone why should you not get the same for beating a cop?
Or are you saying that the cop shouldn't be arrested either?

[Katman]

Waves to Katman.

[BoristheBiter]

Rules and laws are made for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools.

Waves to Katman.

Thats a very loud troll you have there.

[Banditbandit]

See thats where your argument falls down. see first you talk of freedom of choice, then consquences of that freedom but now you say you should be above the law.

If the cops get busted for beating someone why should you not get the same for beating a cop?
Or are you saying that the cop shouldn't be arrested either?

Awww crap !!!!! Your argument is the one that's flawed .... If I am doing something which the law consdiers to be wrong and I get caught, then the law-abiding policeman can arrest me and I will take the consequences ...

If I am doing something the law considers wrong and the policeman decides to beat me (puts him outside the law) instead of arresting me, then I can beat him back .. let the best man win ... as long as he doesn't whinge and arrest me if I get the better of him

You clearly do not follow what I am saying ...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Thats a very loud troll you have there.

Not really. I just think it's important that we all understand where he is coming from so his opinion can be appropriately weighted against those of wise men.

It's not his fault. He is only doing what he believes he is supposed to

[flyingcrocodile46]

Awww crap !!!!! Your argument is the one that's flawed .... If I am doing something which the law consdiers to be wrong and I get caught, then the law-abiding policeman can arrest me and I will take the consequences ...

If I am doing something the law considers wrong and the policeman decides to beat me (puts him outside the law) instead of arresting me, then I can beat him back .. let the best man win ... as long as he doesn't whinge and arrest me if I get the better of him

You clearly do not follow what I am saying ...

I think he is just pretending not to.