Christchurch cruising bylaw July 1st: No exceptions for finding a park?

[Blinkwing]

Naive of me but if I was to travel along the road several times I'd be impressed if they thought I was a boy racer,but it would mean I am lost,along with numerous people who visit Chch,imagine the older people shit scared of driving along the streets for fear of being pinged for cruising.

And the thing is Chch have a couple of areas set aside to play at Ruapuna and the speedway have events,but the diehard wankers annoying the folks living peacefull lives in semi rural areas won't use the regulated strips.I am astounded that the locals haven't taken the law into their hands,and maybe when a car is shot at or driver is injured these guys will stop,but doubt it.

The by law won't mean someone looking for a park during the day will be pinged,or even at night,but the give away is the stupid huge exhaust tip,sounds and look of car,much of which most people 25-30 yrs have got over.

Thing is, if you take a potshot at the cars, they'll most likely just stop and rush the house they think did it.

[Gibbo89]

average joe isn't going to get pinged looking for a park, it's the drop kick in the rice racer that just drives around fucking everyone off that the cops will be keen to pull over for 'cruising' in certain areas. you should see what harper ave looks like sometimes at night on a saturday night/sunday morning. hundreds of em driving past hagley park etc and a few of em stop to drink and wank over each others pod filters and clip on spinner hub caps, not to mention take a piss on the road or in the park... can't wait for the popo to have more power against them...

[Spuds1234]

Dumb arse pricks who is going to patrol the roads?, police will not have the time, bloody typical of councils..

More set up to catch the annoying little prats that cruise round and round the roads at night I would imagine, to give the cops more power for when it is needed...could be wrong ..

You've hit the nail on the head.

Which means there are different rules for different people based on what a cop thinks of them. Didn't Germany used to have a similar system?

Personally, I don't like any laws that allow Police to discriminate against me just because they have a feeling I might do something.

Dont know why your complaining. Your up in Auckland, it wont effect you.

People down here in Christchurch want this bylaw to happen. The boy racers are a problem here and most people are sick and tired of them.

No one would care about them if they went from A to B and then back to A. Its the fact that they drive around and around and around the same 4 roads all night keeping people awake and generally causing mayhem on the roads that people dont like.

[McWild]

It seems a few of you have real misconceptions of how statutes are interpreted legally. Don't look at bylaws like these in a literal sense, but with a sense of context, as in read all parts of the act within the context of the whole act, the circumstances surrounding the initial passing of the act, etc.

The clincher in this case is "attracting attention to the power or sound of your vehicle".

Now obviously there's the worry that bikes, especially sports bikes, could attract the same attention afforded to a boy racer. It seems obvious to me that if you are looking for a park in town, you could not reasonably be seen as cruising unless you're giving it shit everywhere and not slowing down to look for a park. And if you are doing that then you quite frankly deserve to be pinged.
And how often are you looking for any random parking space on any four of the avenues at the same time? They're pretty far apart from each other.

The only way you could be pulled up and charged with cruising is if you're being a dickhead and actually cruising, out playing with the boy racers or whatever. And if you are being a dick then it's not like they can only charge you now.

I've been pulled up several times before, why? Because I was riding like a twat past police cars ("attracts attention to power or sound"). This, to me, seems entirely reasonable. We have unnecessary acceleration, speeding, sustained loss, careless driving blah blah.

Anyway, I'm done, don't worry yourselves, unless you're a boy racer in which case you can get fucked.

[Flip]

Anyway, I'm done, don't worry yourselves, unless you're a boy racer in which case you can get fucked.

Strong works coming from you. I do however completely agree!

You have to live in Christchurch to know what a problem having gangs of twits driving around and around all night with their boom boxes and noisy exhausts is. It's a Christchurch by law specifically for Christchurch.

[Max Preload]

Dont know why your complaining. Your up in Auckland, it wont effect you.

People down here in Christchurch want this bylaw to happen. The boy racers are a problem here and most people are sick and tired of them.

No one would care about them if they went from A to B and then back to A. Its the fact that they drive around and around and around the same 4 roads all night keeping people awake and generally causing mayhem on the roads that people dont like.

I'm complaining because the bylaw is bullshit and I don't wish to be subjected to restricted movements here, or anywhere I might happen to be in NZ, at any time, purely at the whim of a cop. Won't be long before they move onto the next group.

First they came...

[Spuds1234]

I'm complaining because the bylaw is bullshit and I don't wish to be subjected to restricted movements here, or anywhere I might happen to be in NZ, at any time, purely at the whim of a cop. Won't be long before they move onto the next group.

First they came...

I believe its unlikely they will come for anyone else unless there is another group that starts to annoy people, trash car parks, vandelise property, shoot at police, and generally cause mayhem most nights of the week.

The law is only restricting if your driving like a twat. I guess if that applies to you then you wont be coming down to Christchurch, and Christchurch wouldnt want you here anyway.

No real loss there really.

[swbarnett]

Isn't any vehicle "pedestrian controlled" ?

Steve

No, as soon as you step on or in the vehicle you cease to be a pedestrian.

[Max Preload]

I believe its unlikely they will come for anyone else unless...

Not the point at all. Not even close.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[Spuds1234]

Not the point at all. Not even close.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Ive only had a short experience of history so far. Maybe Im to young. But what was your point then?

[Max Preload]

Ive only had a short experience of history so far. Maybe Im to young. But what was your point then?

My point is we must always be wary of Authorities and Police gaining too much power - it will be abused.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Personally I don't believe they need a new bylaw... there are enough previsions in the current law to deal with the problem... as well as many of the other problems in society... they are just either forgotten the law is there, to scared to use it, or haven't put two and two together that this law can also be used here, here and here...

Just because the bylaw is there it won't stop them driving round with their boom boxes and fart valves...

I have nothing against them cruising... heck I use to do it years ago... but agree we weren't making noise and ruckessnessnessness...

but yes the noisy vehicles and nusance, desterbing the peace are also laws that can be already used... get a warning over noise next time your car or stereo is impounded just they have the power to do now by taking stereo from a party... pour Diesel on the road... arrested for causing hazrds conditions... do burnouts on charge for loss of traction, causing nusance, desterbing the peace are also law... add 3 strike and you are out ... it will sort itself out.


there are enough laws already to regulate the little bit of freedom you have left which is not a lot anyway... but thats just me.

[MSTRS:Me]

My point is we must always be weary of Authorities and Police gaining too much power - it will be abused.

I'm wary of them, too...
If this bylaw applies to certain streets, then you can bet the backwards caps will just move to other streets. Eventually. A bylaw is not going to stop them.

[JMemonic]

Personally I don't believe they need a new bylaw... there are enough previsions in the current law to deal with the problem... as well as many of the other problems in society... they are just either forgotten the law is there, to scared to use it, or haven't put two and two together that this law can also be used here, here and here...

Just because the bylaw is there it won't stop them driving round with their boom boxes and fart valves...

I have nothing against them cruising... heck I use to do it years ago... but agree we weren't making noise and ruckessnessnessness...

but yes the noisy vehicles and nusance, desterbing the peace are also laws that can be already used... get a warning over noise next time your car or stereo is impounded just they have the power to do now by taking stereo from a party... pour Diesel on the road... arrested for causing hazrds conditions... do burnouts on charge for loss of traction, causing nusance, desterbing the peace are also law... add 3 strike and you are out ... it will sort itself out.


there are enough laws already to regulate the little bit of freedom you have left which is not a lot anyway... but thats just me.

This is all very true although laws only apply when there is a breach of the law, the issue here is each car for the most case complies with the legal noise limits an sustained loss of traction etc only apply if the offence is committed, but I might use the football (soccer) world cup as an example here.

That stupid horn the vesuvula (or what ever its called) is annoying, if you are attempting to actually watch a game its a distraction at the least, and may cause one to actually turn off the sound or just say stuff it and wait for the final score in the paper, now one of those horns intermittently would be ok but given the hundreds of them in the stadium at any given time its downright obnoxious, this is the four aves in Christchurch, you get 10 cars in convoy all at the maximum limit driving down the road and well its a bit much, then the same cars just go for laps around the block. Residents rightly are at the end of their tether as are the business in the area (not to mention the patients and staff at the hospital), now perhaps if it was just 10 cars they would come around oh every 15 to 20 minutes but its literally hundreds, and many of them are just bordering on legal.

This bylaw is just another tool in the arsenal the police have to use in an attempt to restore peace to the streets here, the situation might not be so bad if these youth (although in some cases that's not the case) would head out to Ruapuna on organised events, and people have actually tried to set up options for this but they don't want to pay a small fee to use the facilities, I guess twenty dollars or so would cut into their fuel money.

Not having a go at you NH but I think many are thinking the same as you without an understanding of the situation, this is a case of the news media not actually portraying the real situation, they have focused on the burnouts and worst of the behaviour but have missed the real picture to sensationalise the minor problems.

[JMemonic]

I'w wary of them, too...
If this bylaw applies to certain streets, then you can bet the backwards caps will just move to other streets. Eventually. A bylaw is not going to stop them.

That in its self is another issue but one of the reasons they do the laps of the city is simply because its the centre of the city, finding another suitable location to congregate, with the fast food, bars etc near by is not as easy, one road that was popular now has speed humps, and the lower cars scrape across them, this would not be an option on the main routes around the city.