Wayne Gardner demands immediate TT ban

[Kickaha]

you either accept it and live with it, or fuss and moan, act like a nana and accept that lawn bowls is the only sport safe enough worthy of existence.

Lawn bowls? are you fucking insane

http://www.sportingo.com/all-sports/...s-sports-world

1. LAWN BOWLS: Forget those UFC pussies, lawn bowls is for REAL men (and women!). Going off the number of deaths per player, it is the world's most dangerous sport, killing literally thousands worldwide every year. Its hardcore competitors will stop at nothing in pursuit of victory. If you're one of the lucky ones that escapes death, there are thousands more who end up with dislocated ankles, broken hips, torn knees or who simply keel over with a heart attack or a stroke due to the incredibly stressful nature of the game. Either that or it's down to most of the competitors being over 85 and lugging great big balls around

[dipshit]

I find this post offensive and possibly you were not meaning it as such but considering recent events...

Nobody forced them to go and race there and they know the risk, right ? I'm not exactly going to feel sorry for them. Their choice and they knew what they were getting in for.

I feel more sorry for their friends and family that have to live with the consequences.

It also makes me feel bad for the image of motorcycling such ongoing carnage must produce.

[ellipsis]

....to Wayne Gardner..FUCK OFF....and the same to squeamish types that back his comments.

[Mental Trousers]

People need to stop treating others like they're infants. The majority of motorcyclists know there's a good chance they'll die when they get on a bike, but they accept the risk and do it anyway. If anything, motorcyclists are much more aware of the risks they face than participants of most other sports/activities (there are exceptions such as climbers, sky divers etc).

People who are scared of dying don't enter the TT. People who believe it's up to them to make decisions for others (ie protect racers from themselves) really shouldn't.

[Taz]

I fully Support Mr Gardener actually, and good on him for voicing his opinion.
Events with a Death rate like this shouldn't be promoted and held.

Bikers think they are invincible, once they are dead its to late to change their opinion.

If Pukekohe had a crash rate with every nationals round of one or two riders would you accept this as an event............no (be honest)

I would also disagree. If there were more chance of death I would go watch road racing again. Oh and bring back throwing christians to the lions.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I havnt bothered reading the whole thread but id agree with Waynes comments, i cant understand why the event is still allowed to run, in any other part of the world it wouldnt be aloud. Wayne does heaps of work in the interest of rider safety etc in oz plus apparently he has won a couple of races here and there so I think he is more then qualified to comment

Let's ban road racing full stop then eh? I've been racing at 3 meets where unfortunate souls have died. It makes no difference that WG has won a world championship. It's still the individuals right to choose dude. You wouldn't like road racing being banned would you now??

[Quasievil]

Oh and bring back throwing christians to the lions.

Im keen to see some of that shit !!

[dipshit]

Im keen to see some of that shit !!

Poor lions.

[Taz]

Poor lions.

Hmmm good point.

[Biggles08]

People need to stop treating others like they're infants. The majority of motorcyclists know there's a good chance they'll die when they get on a bike, but they accept the risk and do it anyway.

I disagree completely....nobody that I know that rides a bike (racing or otherwise) gets on a bike thinking "I have a good chance I'm going to die" in their heads. On the contre, most people think "It'll never happen to me!"

If anything, motorcyclists are much more aware of the risks they face than participants of most other sports/activities (there are exceptions such as climbers, sky divers etc).

This is true but they still think it will never happen to them.

People who are scared of dying don't enter the TT. People who believe it's up to them to make decisions for others (ie protect racers from themselves) really shouldn't.

The first part I agree with but the second I'm not so sure with. I understand your sentiment but modern society has certain morals and expectations that we set on people. Whilst most that know me will know I'm mainly for freedom of speech and choice but there has to be a line we draw in the sand if we want to retain our own sanity. To be very blunt and honest, most people (Public) go to the IOM to watch the crashes and people defying death, with some like my friend Paul Dobbs unfortunately not managing to on this occasion. The main attraction to this event if we are brutally honest is to see who makes it and who doesn't. Racers and motorcyclists will see it in a different light as we appreciate the talent these racers have too, but deep down we are just like the peasants of the Roman Empire days, sitting in the stands watching a slave take on a lion...already knowing the outcome.

The fact is, Choppa is right, anywhere else in the world this would already be over and dusted. I personally have no wish to ride the IOM as I did not take up the sport of racing to take risks that the odds simply do not stack up against. I only race street events in NZ to promote my sponsors otherwise I would not do it. Racing in my mind is not about pushing your luck or getting an adrenaline fix, it is about precision and race tactics, both of which can be achieved on a race track with sufficient runoff. Street racing is all about the crashes for the punter, and predominantly the atmosphere / heroism for the racers. There are of course exceptions to every rule.

[CHOPPA]

Let's ban road racing full stop then eh? I've been racing at 3 meets where unfortunate souls have died. It makes no difference that WG has won a world championship. It's still the individuals right to choose dude. You wouldn't like road racing being banned would you now??

What events have you been to that riders get killed every year?????? You have been racing for a hundred years and you have only been to 3 events that had fatalitys? Thats bad but also pretty good odds.

If someone died at manfield or puke everytime we raced there do you think we would still be riding there? Yeah? Na

[Crasherfromwayback]

None. But it still comes down to the riders choice does it not? As it's been said...no one makes them ride there.

[CHOPPA]

I have always been interested in the race and id actually consider racing so id like someone to stop it so im not tempted.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck that. You're going way to quick on that Beemer to want to ride it there!

[Mental Trousers]

I disagree completely....nobody that I know that rides a bike (racing or otherwise) gets on a bike thinking "I have a good chance I'm going to die" in their heads. On the contre, most people think "It'll never happen to me!"

Not what I'm saying. Nobody goes out thinking "I might die, fuck it". But the majority of motorcyclists seem to have a different attitude to death. They don't let the fear of dying influence their decisions to the same extent as your average SUV driving pleb, so the fear of dying doesn't stop them from getting on a bike.

Unfortunately, "it'll never happen to me" seems to be far too common.

The first part I agree with but the second I'm not so sure with. I understand your sentiment but modern society has certain morals and expectations that we set on people. Whilst most that know me will know I'm mainly for freedom of speech and choice but there has to be a line we draw in the sand if we want to retain our own sanity. To be very blunt and honest, most people (Public) go to the IOM to watch the crashes and people defying death, with some like my friend Paul Dobbs unfortunately not managing to on this occasion. The main attraction to this event if we are brutally honest is to see who makes it and who doesn't. Racers and motorcyclists will see it in a different light as we appreciate the talent these racers have too, but deep down we are just like the peasants of the Roman Empire days, sitting in the stands watching a slave take on a lion...already knowing the outcome.

The fact is, Choppa is right, anywhere else in the world this would already be over and dusted. I personally have no wish to ride the IOM as I did not take up the sport of racing to take risks that the odds simply do not stack up against. I only race street events in NZ to promote my sponsors otherwise I would not do it. Racing in my mind is not about pushing your luck or getting an adrenaline fix, it is about precision and race tactics, both of which can be achieved on a race track with sufficient runoff. Street racing is all about the crashes for the punter, and predominantly the atmosphere / heroism for the racers. There are of course exceptions to every rule.

I agree with you about what the average spectator goes to see. But I admire the guys that race at the IOM. Their level of skill, confidence, ability and bravery are well above anything I can produce and I reckon they're modern day heroes.