Wayne Gardner demands immediate TT ban

[avgas]

Wayne Gardner demands immediate TT ban

Turns out his 500cc bike was actually a high horse.

No but seriously - can some dried up old biker say:
"Ban something I don't want to compete in?"

If you don't like it, don't watch it. FFS we can't all hold you hand in this world Wayne - sometimes you have to be a big boy and avoid certain things in life.

[Qkkid]

Yes I actually think its an event that should be sent to the archives, its done its thing and Im hoping I DONT know the guys who will die in 11 months time.

I understand over the time this event has been running there has been over 170 people die attempting the race.
Blew me away when i heard this..........................
Correct me please if i am wrong? Quite staggering really
Might even actually be higher than this anyone know the figures????

[avgas]

That kinda changes the scenario somewhat does it not .... I mean, it was the riders choice to race the place and all, but then who shoulders the burden from then on .... the parents, kids, loved ones, friends and, dare I say it, the tax payer.

The greatest freedom you can give someone in their life is to let them choose their own exit.
My family support me in my riding. What does your family do?

[avgas]

Yes I actually think its an event that should be sent to the archives, its done its thing and Im hoping I DONT know the guys who will die in 11 months time.

Forced to ride there due to famine are they?

Bastards like you put away Group B rallying, be a cold day in hell before you take away IOM, what next Paeroa?
HTFU or don't ride precious.

[SPman]

I understand over the time this event has been running there has been over 170 people die attempting the race.
Blew me away when i heard this..........................
Correct me please if i am wrong? Quite staggering really
Might even actually be higher than this anyone know the figures????

170 over 100 yrs = 1.7 people per year. How many miles done per event and what is the death toll /per mile covered, as compared to "regular" track based events?

[dipshit]

I understand over the time this event has been running there has been over 170 people die attempting the race.
Blew me away when i heard this..........................
Correct me please if i am wrong?

That 170 is a 1993 number.

In the 17 years till now the number has risen to 237.

[Biggles08]

The greatest freedom you can give someone in their life is to let them choose their own exit.

That's rhetorical Bullshit avgas... Freedom is so much more than 'choosing ones death' and this tells me you take your freedom with contempt. Freedom of speech and self are certainly important, possibly the most important thing that we are likely to have to stand against in our lives; but with it comes responsibilities to our community. Like was insinuated earlier in this thread...why do you 'have' to wear helmets when we race or ride on the road? Are they taking away my freedom by insisting I do this? What if I want to race in my t-shirt and shorts? Should I be allowed? Of course not...Its all about moral standards of our society of the day...there are levels of acceptable 'freedom' for all of us but conversely, unacceptable levels according to our cumulative morals.

[Oscar]

Any event with an average death rate is a tragedy.
This event has averaged two competitors and three spectators a year for over a hundred years.

Of course it should be banned, it does absolutely nothing for Motorcycle Racing except killing fine riders and reinforcing bad stereotypes. And don't give me that bollox about taking the risk out of life - there is a big difference between risk & certainty and a fine line between bravery & foolishness.

If it was anywhere else in the world, it would have gone years ago.
As an event, it means nothing.

[Biggles08]

As an event, it means nothing.

I think that is a bit harsh...as it is the beginnings of modern road racing we have now...it does mean something... but I believe it is too dangerous to be a viable ongoing race event and it is only a matter of time before it is canned in its current form... like it or not.

[avgas]

Should I be allowed?

Of course you should - You should be able to do what ever the fuck you want with you life so long as it does not cost others. Take from that what you will. But I notice that you are a racer - do you think racing should be banned? I mean people get hurt and die every year - its bloody dangerous. I am yet to see a single racer get away 'scot free' from their racing career.
I take the approach - if you want to race, that is your choice, it is my choice as a spectator to watch you at the track. If you came off, died, your bike flew through the air and killed me - was this your fault? was this my fault? or did we both choose what was going to happen.
The world is a scary place - the decisions you make determine where you step off.

[avgas]

it does absolutely nothing for Motorcycle Racing except killing fine riders

Every field must have a process of elimination. We just happen to have chosen a sport that kills.
No one forces for riders to compete.
Its not a game of Russian roulette.

[Biggles08]

Of course you should - You should be able to do what ever the fuck you want with you life so long as it does not cost others. Take from that what you will. But I notice that you are a racer - do you think racing should be banned? I mean people get hurt and die every year - its bloody dangerous. I am yet to see a single racer get away 'scot free' from their racing career.
I take the approach - if you want to race, that is your choice, it is my choice as a spectator to watch you at the track. If you came off, died, your bike flew through the air and killed me - was this your fault? was this my fault? or did we both choose what was going to happen.
The world is a scary place - the decisions you make determine where you step off.

I disagree and would be horrified at any organization for allowing such a fool to get anywhere near a track to race. To answer your other questions re-read my first response to you...its all about balancing 'free choice' and 'moral acceptability of risk.' Depending on our view of life, our cultural morals that we are all part of and the tolerance of the rest of the world - this will produce a acceptable level of entertainment vs mortality. Personally, I understand that the sport I'm involved with carries with it a certain level of risk with it, but in fact after sustaining massive injuries from a 'not at fault' crash on the road, I decided to minimize the risk of further injury by only racing and not ride on the road anymore. I do believe in striving to minimize risk of injury by imposing 'non negotiable' safety rules in place to save those who know less. Its never about removing freedom of choice, rather learning from others mistakes.

[avgas]

Personally, I understand that the sport I'm involved with carries with it a certain level of risk with it.

Are you sure? Because I don't think you really are.
Riding a motorbike can KILL YOU.
This even occurs outside the IOM. While chance of death is greatly increased in IOM, the level of risk DOES NOT CHANGE. You can die racing (or riding) anywhere in the world.

I would have thought that all racers would acknowledge this before hitting pit lane. But it turns out even the world of motorsport still needs fluffy coating.

Also if it were up to safety levels, you would not be allowed to motorcycle race - OSH would have a field-day as you can not remove "possibilities of harm" from a motorbike race, without removing motorbikes. Hell the things can just fall over and hurt someone.

[Crasherfromwayback]

its not a game of Russian roulette.

Not quite anyway...but close.

[Biggles08]

Are you sure? Because I don't think you really are.
Riding a motorbike can KILL YOU.
This even occurs outside the IOM. While chance of death is greatly increased in IOM, the level of risk DOES NOT CHANGE. You can die racing (or riding) anywhere in the world.

I would have thought that all racers would acknowledge this before hitting pit lane. But it turns out even the world of motorsport still needs fluffy coating.

Also if it were up to safety levels, you would not be allowed to motorcycle race - OSH would have a field-day as you can not remove "possibilities of harm" from a motorbike race, without removing motorbikes. Hell the things can just fall over and hurt someone.

You don't know me avgas as I do not know you...but you seem to think you understand my level of appreciation for what I do? Interesting...makes me form opinions of you too... like your inability to read properly!

I KNOW how risky riding a bike is LET ALONE right next to a stone wall at 250kph....that is MORE RISKY in my book than merely ...oh I don't know....riding down my driveway. You can die anywhere in the world but the level of risk does change according to the scenario in which it happens.

I would appreciate you don't assume anymore about what I understand my risks are as I certainly do...which I thought I explained in my previous post...never mind. Re the last sentence you wrote, have another look at what I was trying to explain in my last few posts again....its a matter of balance not absolutes.