Wayne Gardner demands immediate TT ban

[Quasievil]

lol this is getting heated

here is some more petrol to throw at it (

the IOM circuit takes about 800,000 pounds a year so it works out at about 200,000 per coffin, which if you're the organizer is clearly seen as acceptable collateral damage.
(pulled of a blog site, not my original material)

at the end of the day Im right and your all wrong, it will close its just a matter of when.

[Oscar]

I think that is a bit harsh...as it is the beginnings of modern road racing we have now...it does mean something... but I believe it is too dangerous to be a viable ongoing race event and it is only a matter of time before it is canned in its current form... like it or not.

My apologies, it was a bit harsh - it means nothing now.

[CHOPPA]

Of course you should - You should be able to do what ever the fuck you want with you life so long as it does not cost others. Take from that what you will. But I notice that you are a racer - do you think racing should be banned? I mean people get hurt and die every year - its bloody dangerous. I am yet to see a single racer get away 'scot free' from their racing career.
I take the approach - if you want to race, that is your choice, it is my choice as a spectator to watch you at the track. If you came off, died, your bike flew through the air and killed me - was this your fault? was this my fault? or did we both choose what was going to happen.
The world is a scary place - the decisions you make determine where you step off.

Why do we have to wear helmets then?

[Oscar]

Every field must have a process of elimination. We just happen to have chosen a sport that kills.
No one forces for riders to compete.
Its not a game of Russian roulette.

When was the last time someone was killed in MotoGP or SBK?
The sport is certainly dangerous, but the IOM TT is reckless & dangerous.

[Dreama]

The greatest freedom you can give someone in their life is to let them choose their own exit.
My family support me in my riding. What does your family do?

As a matter of fact they don't support me at all. They think I'm fucking crazy, and, from a 'normal' citizens perspective, racers and to a lesser degree, motorcyclists in general, we probably are.
But the point is 'acceptable safety standards' ... the reason why only a select few tracks around the world are used for MotoGP and WSBK ... so the competitors don't die or get maimed to often.

And as to the first sentence regarding freedom, that's pathetic.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm simply blown away that people strongly believe they have the right to insist that others stop doing what they enjoy because of the associated risk of injury and death. These are not children or mentally challenged (cue jokes that they are mentally challenged) adults, but adults who are entitled to make decisions about what they do with their life at a legal event that poses only risk to themselves, other racers or spectators, who have all chosen of their own free accord to be there. I think it will be another sad day for mankind when adults get another free choice taken off them.

Out of interest, how many of you opposed to the IoM are also opposed to euthanasia?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How could anyone in their right mind be against euthanasia?

[Dreama]

I'm simply blown away that people strongly believe they have the right to insist that others stop doing what they enjoy because of the associated risk of injury and death. These are not children or mentally challenged (cue jokes that they are mentally challenged) adults, but adults who are entitled to make decisions about what they do with their life at a legal event that poses only risk to themselves, other racers or spectators, who have all chosen of their own free accord to be there. I think it will be another sad day for mankind when adults get another free choice taken off them.

Out of interest, how many of you opposed to the IoM are also opposed to euthanasia?

I think the point to this thread has become too theatrical. Yes, there is the 'freedom of choice' bit to consider, but the reality of life in the modern world is not like that .... never has been.

The point made right from the beginning of the thread was that the IOM has done its dash in the modern world on modern bikes for obvious and well documented reasons... simple as that.

[k14]

lol this is getting heated

here is some more petrol to throw at it (

the IOM circuit takes about 800,000 pounds a year so it works out at about 200,000 per coffin, which if you're the organizer is clearly seen as acceptable collateral damage.
(pulled of a blog site, not my original material)

at the end of the day Im right and your all wrong, it will close its just a matter of when.

Yeah I have to agree, when someone takes the choice (very selfishly I have to say) to race there they know the risks and I would hope they weigh them up and talk them through with those effected if the worst happens. What I can't seem to compute is that when the "worst" does happen they get a big support crew together asking for donations to help their family. Where is the logic in that? Yeah its a tragedy that they died but they got themselves into it! Why don't they just get everyone that enters to draw numbers out of a hat and then two "lucky" numbers are drawn each year for the unsuspecting two? It just seems totally illogical to me.

So if you are stupid enough to go there and kill yourself that's your choice, but don't come asking me for donations when you end up in a box!

[imdying]

While chance of death is greatly increased in IOM, the level of risk DOES NOT CHANGE.

If anyone is wondering what he means, I think it's "All racing carries an 'absolute' level of risk, i.e. death". Am I right avgas?

[Deano]

I'm reminded of the movie 'Demolition Man', starring Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes.

Set in the future of a cold, sterile world where you have to conform to one way of thinking. No smoking, (how many smokers becry the selfishness of a racer ?) no fatty foods (incl meat), no swearing, no contact sports God forbid. Hang - where heading down that path already. Force fed regimes on the general populace because the powers that be know better.

No personal choices really. No wonder there was a sub culture fighting the system in the movie.

How many NZ street racing events have we seen cease to exist over the past few decades ? Is it because there was a death or another factor ?

Racers from other countries marvel that we still have street racing here cause the PC/OSH advocates have crushed them elsewhere.

So it is a slippery slope guys - today the Isle of Man, tomorrow Paeroa and Wangas, then circuit racing, then any contact sport that results in death or injury.

Ask any friend or family member of a racer that has died racing......that one death was one too many, but do they want the sport/event banned ?

[Ivan]

I actually am anti this thread, the Isle of Mann TT is the Birthplace of all road racing It is the place. If your a circuit racer and stand by that thats your decision If your a street racer that is what you do race the streets it is a track for people who choose to go there there are risks invovled but so there are in any form of racing or any sport Should motoX get banned because of the fence pickets you could impale yourself on? or the fact that it is not a dead smooth circuit and has alot of bumps which could cause you to come off or the fact your jumping 20feet in the air and you could break your neck back etc if you fuck up????

personally I want to go compete in the Manx in a few years time its one thing I want to do before I give it up.

And I think some of the comments are abit harsh calling riders who lost therelives selfious its there choice of sport.

Puke is a death trap Manfield has a concrete wall you can hit Taupo has a concrete wall you could hit head on etc so should we also ban these circuits????

I also feel offended by the post about the riders familys needing money after these things have happened.

I dont think that is the case it is just the fact the guys like Shaun and Paul are both kiwis and there friends decided to do something to help support there familys through the hardships of a time they are going through. I respect people who help others out and feel that New Zealand racing is very small and close knit and alot of people know each other so be it through a simple hello in the pits but we are all here for the same thign at the end of the day and I think that is why Donation's start to help out because I know if I was to pass on I would be honoured if people did the same thing

[jonbuoy]

lol this is getting heated

here is some more petrol to throw at it (

the IOM circuit takes about 800,000 pounds a year so it works out at about 200,000 per coffin, which if you're the organizer is clearly seen as acceptable collateral damage.
(pulled of a blog site, not my original material)

at the end of the day Im right and your all wrong, it will close its just a matter of when.

Sadly you may be right, and then people will start looking at road racing circuits in general or any racing that carries a risk - Grand National, Paris Dakar. Who knows what will happen when the NZ safety nazis get wind of road racing being banned in Europe - Paeroa/Whanganui next on the hit list. How long before governments get together and decide Motorbikes in general carry too high of a risk for its stupid population to take and need to be protected from themselves and banned from riding them??

For all its problems sometimes I´m glad I moved to Spain, people still smoke in bars, in the summer the motorways are full of people on bikes in shorts and T shirts, I can ride home at a 140KPH without the cops batting an eyelid -and strangely enough depression is not so much of a social issue here.

[White trash]

Ha ha ha, someone's linked to this thread over on the IoM forums. The racers, that's right, RACERS are laughing at the notion they need to be told to stop what they're doing and live for, and be wrapped in cotton wool so they don't hurt themselves. It's THEIR choice, you guys don't understand that?

Put it this way, 2.2 for example die there each year. This is tragic, but it was their choice to go there. Why are you dogooders not jumping up and down, proclaiming to all of KB in your self righteous manner that we should all be sponsoring children in Africa, you know one dies ever 30 seconds! Every 30 seconds, that's the IoMs quota done in the time it took you pansies to read this post.

You're welcome.

Edit: Forgot to say perhaps you should be asking Joey Dunlops wife or David Jefferies missus or Robert Holdens or Gus Scotts family and colleagues if this event should be banned. They'll all tell you exactly the same thing and laugh in your face.

[Oscar]

Ha ha ha, someone's linked to this thread over on the IoM forums. The racers, that's right, RACERS are laughing at the notion they need to be told to stop what they're doing and live for, and be wrapped in cotton wool so they don't hurt themselves. It's THEIR choice, you guys don't understand that?

Put it this way, 2.2 for example die there each year. This is tragic, but it was their choice to go there. Why are you dogooders not jumping up and down, proclaiming to all of KB in your self righteous manner that we should all be sponsoring children in Africa, you know one dies ever 30 seconds! Every 30 seconds, that's the IoMs quota done in the time it took you pansies to read this post.

You're welcome.

You're not big on logic, are you?