Chain and sprockets?

[blackdog]

Hitcher if you go talk to Andrew at TSS you won't find many with more product knowledge.

yup Andrews the man....

[roadracingoldfart]

Of course you are right, with the provision that every manufacturer has range of chains varying from damn fine to pretty damn average. Unless you buy Vagina chain which seems only to be smeg (maybe that has changed).


There your left testy is on more shaky ground. Industrial chains usually run at a fairly consistent speed, whereas bike chains have to contend with continual botched gear changes & hamfisted wheelie attempts. They are apparently different specs. Mishy may show up at a later date if he's on the net with more info. or Hitcher if you go talk to Andrew at TSS you won't find many with more product knowledge. You will of course need the correct chain riveting tool, or pay someone to do it.

Your assuming industrial chain / transmission wholesalers only do the chain in industrial varients. I have a trade background in transmissin supply and in the 90s i was the asshole that started to supply chain to fit a bike off a roll with either rivet or conn link options, i sold so much i had to indent another order via airfrieght and eventually started to sell and stock precut RK chain. The local shops didnt like me much for that lol . I also sold other chains to bike related usage fields and never had a failure that was highlighted to me, old pre unit nortons etc springs to mind. The thing is , all chain manufacturers make industrial and bike aimed chains, they market them to seperate fields for a very good reason . I was working for a Renold chain distributor for about 5 years and they only sold 2 sizes / types of bike aimed chain but others sold the full range.

Your almost correct in your guess about industrial applications being a static speed with some applications experiancing very little torque loading but the same chain can be used in a high torque application with the same expected life.
I think you are in the Hutt (sorry if im wrong there) well you can go to an industrial supply outlet in the area and buy a DID 520 o-ring for a shit load less that the bike shops sell it , fact old chap.
All you need to do is pick a suitable load rated chain and go from there , an industrial chain will not let you down.
As for Misshy , i have been in this game for 25 odd years but i repect his knowledge.
Yes i do agree , a suitable chain staking tool is good but its not the only way to do it if you have experiance.

Paul.

[F5 Dave]

Your assuming industrial chain / transmission wholesalers only do the chain in industrial varients. . .

um, well yeah. Sorry Roadracin gold fart, I'm not an expert here, but have had the ear educated by several, admittedly distributor biased chaps. Mainly my old adversary, arch nemisis & in a previous life flatmate Darrin who you may remember from the same stable. Funny I almost noted that there was a crowd that supplied chain (Shrodaco (sp) I think) from roll but they had stopped doing so. Always thought it was Underwater-Murray who was behind that.

So what have we (collectively) learned here? Fairly safe saying that std industrial chain won't break but will be a poor choice on a motorbike. However Paul reckons that there are grades that may be equivalent to decent bike grades? Or indeed the same chain? Presumably with a different product code?

[NZsarge]

Fwiw ive long since used Tri metal sprockets Hitch,you just cant wear them out.Then again i only ride an old jap shitter,you have no need for such things.

*sigh* Them rims are purdy...

[Biggles08]

*sigh* Them rims are purdy...

I can do you a deal Sarge...all you gotta do is ask :-) CARROZZERIA rims really are purdy....and awesome to ride on!

[roadracingoldfart]

Funny I almost noted that there was a crowd that supplied chain (Shrodaco (sp) I think) from roll but they had stopped doing so. Always thought it was Underwater-Murray who was behind that.

Yes it was R.C Schroder & Company (Schrodoco) in Tory St Wgtn, Alicetown L/H and Linns Auto's in Masterton.
We were inundated by cyclists requests and were stocking approx 50 chains per branch pre-packed after i changed to RK . The demand was good from the punters but the reputation was somewhat aggro from the other resellers around , i was marking up from cost to (from memory) 45% and was at the time about
50 odd% cheaper than the local bike shops. All i did was put a small classified add in the Evening Post stating the cost per link and the orders started flowing lol.
As a note , all power transmission equipment suppliers will tell you if the chain they have is or isnt suitable for a bike as a matter of integrity and if they dont i would suggest they are falling into the dodgy catagory of money grabbing bastards.

Paul.

[NZsarge]

I can do you a deal Sarge...all you gotta do is ask :-) CARROZZERIA rims really are purdy....and awesome to ride on!

He he, nice try mate but we've had this conversation already.. y'know, love to but can't afford too etc....

[Brian d marge]

As per R.o.Fart has said
I deal with DID quite a bit and have the design book upstairs ( will edit this post later when i wander up to the office )

but any good quality manufacturer is ok they are all about the same

if, ( I assume ) you are going to drop it off to a dealer , they probably just order one in of said known brand with said mark up , but what you can do to lengthen the chain life is lower the loading for the chain

One of my Enfields uses a 530 on larger/smaller sprokets with a decent cush drive on the rear ( with a version of a scott oiler ) I got 20 000 MILES out of cheap black ( untoleranced ) chain

A happy camper was i

Good luck, and thank you for the comma , 200k on one chain would be awesome !

Stephen

[mouldy]

130,000kms on my BMW R1100 and haven't changed a drive chain yet.

What about your timing chain ?

[schrodingers cat]

[QUOTE=roadracingoldfart;1129798036]

If you went to an industrial transmission wholesaler and got the same brand and same type of chain , i would hazzard to guess its a fair bit cheaper.
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To clarify - I'm hoping RROF is suggesting buying motorcycle chain from industrial transmission wholesaler.

Please DO NOT try using industrial chain on your bike.
Most industrial chain is designed for much slower speeds than what they would experience on your bike. As a result the heat treatment is a bit different (harder but not as 'tough')
You risk the side plates shattering if you try this.
The risk obviously increases with the drive train speed and higher power

Use motorcycle chain on a motorcycle.

Todays safety notice ends.

[Taz]

What about your timing chain ?

What's that Should be good for the life of the bike as it's not a honda.

[p.dath]

What's that Should be good for the life of the bike as it's not a honda.

Having replaced my cam chain recently I can tell you there are more reasons to replace it than waiting till it is completely shot.

As the chain stretches it affects the timing, and the bikes performance. My bike is like a different machine to ride now. I had trouble blipping down for the first couple of minutes I rent riding after the cam chain change because there was so much more power.

I changed my cam chain at 70k. I'm thinking of doing it at 50k now I have seen the huge performance difference it makes.