Wayne Gardner demands immediate TT ban

[Quasievil]

Does one title make a legend? Not in my eyes. Mick Doohans 5 in a row sure...but 1?

No Not really, I have met him on a number of occasions and he is to me, I have a few people I consider Legends, like whitetrash for example, a skinny obnoxious prick from welly that cant handle his beer but I digress.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lawson, Rainey, Roberts, Doohan, Spencer, Ago and Rossi are legends. Gardner, Schwantz and Criville were one time winners that were awesome for sure...but I don't think 'legends'. Schwantz maybe for his riding style though...

[Oscar]

Lawson, Rainey, Roberts, Doohan, Spencer, Ago and Rossi are legends. Gardner, Schwantz and Criville were one time winners that were awesome for sure...but I don't think 'legends'. Schwantz maybe for his riding style though...

A little bit harsh.
Anyone who can win a Grand Prix is a legend in my book.
Though Gardner won his title more by hard graft rather than natural talent.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Possibly...but we all have our opinions on the subject...much like we do regarding the IOM. But you are right in saying that anyone that can win a GP (especially on a wild 500) could be considered one I guess. They're certainly not human. So maybe I should've said ok...they're legends...but not super legends!

[onearmedbandit]

I hoping that we'll see a new headline soon - "IoM demands immediate Interfering Do-Gooder Nosey-Beaked Sticky-Nosed Liberals Ban"

[FROSTY:Me]

Of course no one who lives on the Isle minds the huge influx of people and business each year. They won't want it stopped. What do they care if a few riders have to pay the ultimate price each year. Their country would be a muddy forgotten backwater without it.

Sorry dude Unfortunately thats not true. IOM has become a nice little haven (from memory also tax haven) for the rich n infamous.
There is a groundswell of em that want the IOMTT banned "for safety reasons"
These are the same people who build a fancy appartment block right next to the pumpingest pub in town then complain about the noise.

[Edbear]

Sorry dude Unfortunately thats not true. IOM has become a nice little haven (from memory also tax haven) for the rich n infamous.
There is a groundswell of em that want the IOMTT banned "for safety reasons"
These are the same people who build a fancy appartment block right next to the pumpingest pub in town then complain about the noise.

Or Western Springs Stock Car track...

[jellywrestler]

One question I raised earlier and im interested in is, what modifications if any, and how many modifications or investment has gone into making the track safer over the years? anyone know.
Surely there have been adjustments and added safety measures put in place, anyone know?

Every year the organisers scrutinise their safety barriers as a matter of course, particulalry how they've coped with an incident whether it be a minor one or at the other end of the scale and they are constantly making improvements based on what has occured and improvements on the available barriers etc
There have also been a lot more eye on who can race there in recent years, it used to be like our MNZ (three rides on a closed circuit lets you race on the streets) but they now scrutinise your actual recent experience etc.
I read Gardeners comments, particulalry the reference to Barry Sheenes dislike for the place. Sheene HAD to go there. it was part of the series and that's then and this is now where the ISLE OF MAN T.T. is no longer part of a series and is a one off ride making it your decision to ride there.
Gardeners comments are narrow minded saying it is impossible to remember all the corners and all the braking points, this is a poor perception of those who seek to take on the challenge of the 37 3/4 mile course and an insult to those who have the ability and strive to learn the course. I wonder what he says about enduros where every time you ride the tracks they differ from last, or you haven't even ridden it before a race?????

Here's a piccy of NZ's first T.T. competitor, Alan Woodman I found south of Blenheim a couple of years ago, and researched him a little. Alan lost his leg in practice in 1910, he and other competitors petitioned the organisers to let him ride the next year, the first over the mountain, but they refused on the grounds of safety....
Rest assured despite the risks of the course the organisers do their utmost to make it as safe as they can.

[Quasievil]

How to be a Hypocrit, as above.

It is FACT, that road riders are killed on the roads in accidents, the above poster sells leather gear to road riders, so he can make money from the sale? and then has the arrogance to post shite like in this thread, wow, YES I am confused now

So it is OK for a person to set up a buisness selling product to make money from an industry that DOES have a Known Risk facture! ( And please do not say you are trying to keep people safe, other wise you would be selling it all at your cost if that was the truth) But if any induviduall wants to make there own decisions about there future they cannot, because people like above say so???

You still going on the organised road rides that kill people mate

You still riding on the road where people die mate

yes Im very interested in rider safety Shaun.

Perhaps you need to walk away and settle the fuck down, just a suggestion

[Quasievil]

Gardeners comments are narrow minded saying it is impossible to remember all the corners and all the braking points, this is a poor perception of those who seek to take on the challenge of the 37 3/4 mile course and an insult to those who have the ability and strive to learn the course. I wonder what he says about enduros where every time you ride the tracks they differ from last, or you haven't even ridden it before a race?????

I got a DVD of the IOM 2006 (I think) yes the top guys know the corners alright, there is a few hotlaps from the bike perspective and the guys talking through each part of the track, what they are using for sighting in the corner.....bumb here.......watch the hedge here etc etc.
Very cool, I think margin for error isnt there tho.

But anyway, Im being attacked here now so leave you to it.

[jellywrestler]

WAYNE GARDNER Wonder what he's got to say about all the people dying from smoking around the world who were helped into it by seeing their heroes riding bikes with incredible talent they could only watch and dream about that were also mobile banners for ROTHMANS cigarettes and the like???????????????????????

[avgas]

http://www.crash.net/road+racing/new...ack_on_tt.html

[avgas]

yes Im very interested in rider safety Shaun.

You could almost say an 'invested' interest........ hahahaha
sorry I had to

[Str8 Jacket]

You could almost say an 'invested' interest........ hahahaha
sorry I had to

Maybe he's just angry cause no one is wearing his stuff at IOM.....?

[Tony.OK]

WAYNE GARDNER Wonder what he's got to say about all the people dying from smoking around the world who were helped into it by seeing their heroes riding bikes with incredible talent they could only watch and dream about that were also mobile banners for ROTHMANS cigarettes and the like???????????????????????

Oh don't start on that............thats my fav hobbie