This road is highly dangerous. Can someone tell me why?

[p.dath]

The article about dangerous roads in the Herald today lists SH 1 from warkworth to north as dangerous & SH 10 north of the Bay of Islands as dangerous. The west coast route & twin bridges roads are low to medium. SH1 & SH10 are open, wide well sign posted & reasonably well surfaced roads. The west coast & twin bridges roads are narrow, very twisty & in places appalingly surfaced. It's not the roads is it? More thoughtless, biased propoganda. Get slow people out of fast cars I say.

I think roading does have some effect. If the west coast route and twin bridges are consistently narrow, very twisty and in places badly surfaced then road users will adjust their use of the road to match.

It would be interesting to know the nature of the SH1 and SH10 accidents. You may find they are head ons or collissions with road side furniture - both of which can be addressed via roading design.

This does not negate the need for driver training - but road design can make a road users bad decision result in a more serious accident.

[Berries]

I would be interested in them trying a signage approach as well. I keep reflecting back recently on a trip I did to Great Barrier Island. Pretty much most of the roading network is "legalally" 100km/h. There is no way you could go that fast. You just couldn't. The roads are too twisty, have single lane stretches, etc.

So they just have signs with an advisory speed and a warning. It seems to work for them. Lets try it on the mainland.

We do don't we ? Curves that need signs have them. It's just that there are longer straight bits between the curves here. If you had a bit of road here that was exactly the same as on GBI then I imagine it would be signed the same anyway.

[Ocean1]

If you had a bit of road here that was exactly the same as on GBI then I imagine it would be signed the same anyway.

That's the best idea I've heard in yonks, make all mainland roads the same standard as GBI.

HeeeeHaarrrrr

[sAsLEX]

DREDGE......


But I have to laugh when I head north on SH1, goes 80 somewhere north of this damned city, but there is a spot where a little side road comes off this 80 stretch.

At this point SH1 is three lanes wide, easy flowing corners, good surface, and all in all what should be a perfectly safe piece of road.

However the skinny little single lane goat track that turns to gravel within 60 meters of SH1 has a 100 sign 20m back from the intersection....... nothing to do about the apparent safety of the road speed limits

[p.dath]

However the skinny little single lane goat track that turns to gravel within 60 meters of SH1 has a 100 sign 20m back from the intersection....... nothing to do about the apparent safety of the road speed limits

I'm actually happy about the speed limit on the gravel road part - because the nature of the road is suggesting how fast you should travel on it. We shouldn't need a legally posted sign to make us slow down.

[BoristheBiter]

MoT have just finished classifying all the roads in the country , in an exercise called Kiwirap (Kiwi Road Assessment Program - don't blame me I didn't invent the stupid name).

What they've done is go through all the raods and grade them from 2 star (dangerous) to 4 stars (very safe).

Two problems though.

First, is that they ignored motorcycles. Intentionally.

Second is the ratings often don't seem to make sense.

Like this one, http://www.kiwirap.co.nz/pdf/2-Star%...xample%202.jpg.

Can someone tell me why that stretch of road should be considered as one of the most dangerous in the country. Because I can't any major issues. Just looks like a normal back road to me.

I can't be arsed to read this whole thread which is what you have done with this photo.
If you read the whole thing, you will answer the question as it takes crashes in that area as a factor.
So stop being a one sided conspiracy theorist that you claim everyone else is.

[sAsLEX]

I'm actually happy about the speed limit on the gravel road part - because the nature of the road is suggesting how fast you should travel on it. We shouldn't need a legally posted sign to make us slow down.

No. I agree.

But yet there is an 80 km sign on one of the better segments of NZ roading slowing us down as idiots crash.

Darwin was right, let the weak clean the gene pool.

[schrodingers cat]

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They did find an example fo a one star bit of road, after all
http://www.kiwirap.co.nz/pdf/1-Star%...%20example.jpg
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Could we lobby to get more of these dangerous 1 star roads built please

[scumdog]

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They did find an example fo a one star bit of road, after all
http://www.kiwirap.co.nz/pdf/1-Star%...%20example.jpg

Could we lobby to get more of these dangerous 1 star roads built please

That bit was dodgy-as in December while they were building it but shoot, it looks good now eh!

[crash99]

hmmm, so now its the roads that are the danger, is there some taboo on blaming the drivers for being morons? It baffles me how there is so little emphasis placed on operator attention, when in the workplace there are many standards and protocol for dealing with simple things such as lathes, saws, even the proper way to lift a library book.

looking at that pic I can't see anything remotely dangerous, maybe it has bad reflections during night driving or something?

Yep, absolutely agree bogan. In fact - how about this - we start a campaign that everytime a cage drives off the road, the driver looses their licence for 6 months. (Instead of what they do now is classify the road as dangerous and strighten the corners out . . . )

[bogan]

Yep, absolutely agree bogan. In fact - how about this - we start a campaign that everytime a cage drives off the road, the driver looses their licence for 6 months. (Instead of what they do now is classify the road as dangerous and strighten the corners out . . . )

exactly, and as somebody mentioned before, there is a relationship between attention needed for a road, and attention applied. If they are all straight people will pay less attention and drive off em anyway, or be paying so little attention they will forget what to do when a corner comes up, so of course the corner would be classified as dangerous and straightened. Saw some lady driving with a goddam newspaper on the steering wheel today (within 100m of a school actually), she wouldn't be doing that if there were more corners.

[DR650gary]

There may be a Taniwha or two lurking around there

[crash99]

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They did find an example fo a one star bit of road, after all
http://www.kiwirap.co.nz/pdf/1-Star%...%20example.jpg

Could we lobby to get more of these dangerous 1 star roads built please

Ha! Couldnt agree more Cat - and do you really ride a TF(TS?)185?! Here's a really interesting link if you do . . . http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ce-weapon-8377 Or is this actually you?