Does drug prohibition put the police in danger and harm the public?

[Hinny]

Think of all the great men and women of the world who work hard for the betterment of society and mankind and how many are drug and alcohol abusers?.

I'm thinking Roosevelt - Piss-head drug addict.
I'm thinking Churchill - Piss-head drug addict.
I'm thinking Hitler - Tea-totaler vegetarian.

I can see which path you want the world to go down.

[Edbear]

I'm thinking Roosevelt - Piss-head drug addict.
I'm thinking Churchill - Piss-head drug addict.
I'm thinking Hitler - Tea-totaler vegetarian.

I can see which path you want the world to go down.

I was thinking Ghandi, Mendela, Mother Theresa, Hillary...

I can see which path you want the world to go down...

[scissorhands]

Its a bit sad this has degenerated into a slinging match.

RIP Len Snee says it all for me. Its bleedin obvious he would still be with us today if there was no money in a crop of weed....

So much of our crime is a buy product of prohibition.....so much....the recent spate of bike theft....

Grey Lynn foodtown had its first armed hold up on Friday. If we adopt american models we will get american problems.

Get a brain morans!

[mashman]

However the misuse of many substances for "pleasure" goes on and will go on by those who are short-sighted and ignorant, and if they can't get what they want they'll look for a substitute to give them their so-called "high". Witness the development of these legal party drugs as people try to find ways to get blotto so they can have a "good time".

Ya see... when you say short-sighted and ignorant, I say, young and naive... the inexperienced looking for the experiences of choice... unfortunately you lose some of them to the "drug" (not necessarily just drugs), but that's a fact of life, be it booze, drugs, Diet Pepsi (yes my sister and my mates girlfriend both had hard times coming off Diet Pepsi)... As goes for everything else in life, the individual will pretty much do what they want to do... perhaps experimentation, perhaps escapism, perhaps habit, perhaps mental problem etc... the list goes on and outlawing these things only produces documented problems...

That "high" you're talking about, is personal. We all do it for our own reasons... some people read and enjoy the knowledge high , some pray, some "do good", some do bad... and if nothing is going to change these things... then why bother trying to enforce the unenforceable?

Legalise cannabis... if nothing else, it could save lives ...

[DMNTD:Me]

Legalise cannabis... if nothing else, it could save lives ...

I'd go decriminalise and make the possession of it outside of the new boundaries to be higher than what they are now.

[mashman]

I'd go decriminalise and make the possession of it outside of the new boundaries to be higher than what they are now.
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I would prefer they went the legalisation route. Decriminalisation, to me, is too half arsed... putting a government regulatory "committee" in charge of liaison with drug sellers is bound to lead to all sorts of monkey business... one problem being, what currently happens when a cannabis supplier is busted for "harder" drugs? a supply dries up, the price goes up, ?the crime goes up? etc...

I'd much rather see the government controlling everything cannabis related through legalisation... from production to distribution, as it'd be less open to "market volitility"...

[scissorhands]

I would prefer they went the legalisation route. Decriminalisation, to me, is too half arsed... putting a government regulatory "committee" in charge of liaison with drug sellers is bound to lead to all sorts of monkey business... one problem being, what currently happens when a cannabis supplier is busted for "harder" drugs? a supply dries up, the price goes up, ?the crime goes up? etc...

I'd much rather see the government controlling everything cannabis related through legalisation... from production to distribution, as it'd be less open to "market volitility"...

Home cultivation would reduce culture or scene or advertising and marketing.

Like alcohol culture, I question a culture around drug use. Usually you'll find top dog and loud mouth bullies becoming gang leader

[slowpoke]

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Religious people and wowsers agree with you.

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Its a bit sad this has degenerated into a slinging match.

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Get a brain morans!

Dude, it's not a shame, it's a direct result of your own inability keep your toys in the cot when someone disagrees with you. You are the worst offender in this thread. So much for peace, love and harmony.

For what it's worth, your references to Len Snee still being alive if drugs were freely available shows a certain naivete about how society works. It wouldn't matter in the slightest. There are always fuckers looking for a quick easy buck, no matter if it's at someone elses expense or illegal, and if drugs were freely avavilable they'd just find the next thing they can exploit to turn a $.

[scissorhands]

Dude, it's not a shame, it's a direct result of your own inability keep your toys in the cot when someone disagrees with you. You are the worst offender in this thread. So much for peace, love and harmony.

For what it's worth, your references to Len Snee still being alive if drugs were freely available shows a certain naivete about how society works. It wouldn't matter in the slightest. There are always fuckers looking for a quick easy buck, no matter if it's at someone elses expense or illegal, and if drugs were freely avavilable they'd just find the next thing they can exploit to turn a $.

blah blah blah and the two officers and dog last week

get a brain morans

I think the naivete you mention my way is ridiculous, I'm with Albert Einstein, Judge Grey, most intellectuals. Your with religious people and wowsers.

Plain and simple, pot kettle black

blah blah blah get a brain morans (so rude of me, oh!)

[scumdog]

blah blah blah and the two officers and dog last week

get a brain morans

I think the naivete you mention my way is ridiculous, I'm with Albert Einstein, Judge Grey, most intellectuals. Your with religious people and wowsers.

Plain and simple, pot kettle black

blah blah blah get a brain morans (so rude of me, oh!)

How about spelling moron the proper way....moron.

[Edbear]

Funny thing but the majority of people, esp the medical fraternity and the pollies and law enforcers seem to be wowsers and religious types. Which category do you fall into, Scummy?

http://www.nzdf.org.nz/cannabis/health-effects

Even one who advocates decriminalising cannabis admits in his research there was no difference in usage in countries and states that had decriminalised or legalised cannabis usage. No reduction in usage rates. Like alcohol which is legal, people will abuse and use regardless and the general attitude of many such is that they couldn't care less what the law says, they will freely break the law for their own interests.

Some members here show a scant regard for the law and do what they want and then complain when they run foul of the law enforcers. For these people, it wouldn't matter what the law was and they would complain about regulations limiting their "rights" to do as they please.

[scumdog]

Funny thing but the majority of people, esp the medical fraternity and the pollies and law enforcers seem to be wowsers and religious types. Which category do you fall into, Scummy?

The ban-recreational-all-mind-altering-substances if I was God catagory.

But I can live with the status quo (no, not the rock group).


Having said that, I have to say I've seen more sorry druggies than boozers.

[mashman]

http://www.nzdf.org.nz/cannabis/health-effects

that also explains a bang on the head. and you don't have to smoke it. Turn it into butter or something...

[scissorhands]

Okay, sorry if I have upset or offended anyone. I am trying to save lives??

And I am not scummy thankyou very much. And I dont want kiwis to smoke more cannabis, I want them to smoke less, especially kids in towns like Kaitaia. I'm not this dealer or grower thinking of my bottom line at all.

I have not been nearly as derogatory as some others here, labelling 400,000 kiwi as scummy, yet I am now threatened and bullied, for agreeing with most intellectuals, regarding the effects to the community and front line officers regarding prohibition.

And if you take offense with words like religious types and wowsers, jee, I'm sorry to have been offensive, it was never my intention.

I simply wanted to highlight where most pro prohibition lobbing comes from, thats all.

I sat in a policemans lounge and talked last week for an hour or so. I have provided accommodation for him and his girlfriend for some time now. I couldnt help but worry about him in the front line, after last week shooting.

I sincerely believe in my heart that prohibtion is harmful, have tried to express this belief, and now feel threatened and bullied, for trying to make a difference. Meh.

I agree with the harmful effects Edbear, I dont refute them at all. I use to rise at 4am when I lived in a monastery, my heart used to beat at around 35 bpm, my health was exceedingly fine.

And the unhealthy diet and grog most now 'enjoy' cause all manner of costly illness to themselves and state.

The stoner is not working playing guitar hero and laughing like a moran, let them have their fun in peace I say, they usually arnt hurting anyone unless they start to steal to buy expensive drugs? Police like dealing with stoners rather than drinkers Im told? Or has living in Grey Lynn for 20 years ruined my brain?

[scumdog]

Take cannabis away from the dealers and they'd find another illicit drug to market, it is the way of the world.

The morons need something exciting and illicit to give them a buzz - life is too boring any other way for them.

BTW: I'm Scummy.