Police officers guilty of assault get community service

[Littleman]

What did this guy do " as he was walking past a group of cops arresting some guy he said (and I quote) " Just do what the wankers want mate, they are the biggest gang in the country"

( I have no trouble with cops "lack of attention" allowing rapists, P dealers, Pedophile's etc to "fall down the stairs") but, average tax paying citizens?

We will have to disagree on the definition of what an average tax paying citizen is I'm afraid.

[oldrider]

Me either.

Lmfao.

We need a hanging judge.

We really need to hang them all out to dry and replace them! (Judges I mean)

The current lot are piss poor performers and a waste of money IMHO!

Way past their use by dates!

[SS90]

I'm sure Ms Collins would like to hear how to avoid employing the cops such as you claim to have seen....but far nobody has found a way to make sure only 'good' cops are out there.


Me? In all my years I have not met any ego-tripping asshole cops, maybe I haven't got the gift of detecting them...

Yes, but in all fairness, you are well within your rights to be biased.

Like I say, personally, I have had good dealings with Police (traffic offences ), and, as I am always curtious, it just "goes by the book", I have no problem with that, and, I am aware that most of the people the Police have to deal with are not really "curtious", or "polite", so, it stands to reason, that one day it does get a bit much, and their thick skins can be penetrated.

That's how it is in the world.

I don't Judge all Police by Clint Rickards and his mates, or the two down South of late, but the interesting thing is these guys have been convicted of beating up a guy, you clearly have better intel on us than this, but a Judge still stuck the guilty verdict.

I wonder who is missing the most of the story, The Judge? The Public? The Police Union?

[Taz]

Me? In all my years I have not met any ego-tripping asshole cops, maybe I haven't got the gift of detecting them...

Could it possibly be that your mirror is not adjusted right?

[doc]

If you assault someone there is a good chance you will not lose your job.

Professional Standards will review their case and HR will terminate their employment. The penalty is actually harsher than most would get.

Brought it on themselves I say...

Assaulting someone in the workplace usually means instant suspension followed by dismissal. Most the places I've worked anyway.

[davereid]

...The escalating "Us vs Them" attitude evident on both sides is worrying...

I'm very uncomfortable about proposals to make assault on a police officer a more serious offence than assault on a taxi driver, dairy owner or normal citizen.

It very much smacks of a "we are more important than you" attitude.

All of us should be properly protected from assault, not just "special" kiwis.

If the current penalties for assault are inadequate, then they should be increased to protect everyone.

[scumdog]

The problem is not so much stopping them at the door, but stopping them turning once they are immersed in the culture. I've spoken to many ex-cops who got out because of it.

And are you actually admitting, perhaps for the first time ever, that the cops are less than perfect??

Maybe you're part of the problem not the solution.

'Culture'? - having gone from 'normal' jobs to Police I can't say I have noticed any overt 'culture', it seems to be a thing perceived from the outside imho.


And you obviously haven't read all 10,000+ of my posts or you would have seen several mentions of cops not being perfect - as I have often said: they are a reflection of society itself.

Tell me more about this 'problem' I am possibly a part of?

[scissorhands]

I think people get confused about what is authentic to frontline police and what is perceived as being authentic.

Media reporting has an agenda, many in fact.

Winding up drongoes to see how far they are from a boil over is a valuable policing tool for assessing the anger or potential antisocial level of your average tax paying citizen. Sure when i get spoken down to by cops I get angry. Then when I calm down AND REMEMBER that this a valuable tool for gauging reaction to stress in the public, I let it go.

Its called policing.

Twice now when I have walked my female neighbours staffordshire terrier, the local cop on a cruise in the patrol car like leans right over in the car toward me and eyeballs me fully as he drives past....

They are trained to recognise that a staffy or pitbull could indicate criminal activity. And in many cases, it does.

Good policing. So I smile and wave for the camera when the cruiser passes. Good citizen.

I can either get upset for being buzzed, or think good to see them out there putting pressure on crims.

Once people can grasp this nature of policing, the 'pigs' dont appear so bad.

BUT

this will never become common knowledge because that is just giving the game away, and reduces the effectiveness of the police

Maybe I'm wrong but thats how I imagine it to be, or different when I'm close to anger or malevolent...male violent....

[SMOKEU]

If they weren't cops they would have just received a small fine for assault, at the very worst.

[scumdog]

If they weren't cops they would have just received a small fine for assault, at the very worst.

Well summed up that man!

[oldrider]

Twice now when I have walked my female neighbours Staffordshire terrier, the local cop on a cruise in the patrol car like leans right over in the car toward me and eyeballs me fully as he drives past....

They are trained to recognise that a staffy or pitbull could indicate criminal activity. And in many cases, it does....

Differences between a Staffy and a Pit bull are even wider than between a Kiwi and an American or a Kiwi and an Aussie!

Trouble is not many people can tell the difference and Staffie's get bundled in with the crap that Pit bull's create for the dog world!

Alas they are all "just dogs" after all and everyone should always remember that fact!

Sorry, this thread is about police, well we could do without judges and lawyers and corrections but we wont get very far without any police! Speaks for it's self really!

[SS90]

Well summed up that man!

Erm ....... he is correct most likely, but if they where just "ordinary citizens", they would not have been driving in a police car, and flashed their Blue and reds, tooted their Police horn (if that was needed), and stopped him for "routine control", before getting out of their Police car (in their Police uniforms), and required the Victim (that is what he is now) to provide them with information only a Police officer can require you to give, (where the assault come in I don't know, but it is assault, because they have been convicted of the crime in a court of law).

Assault by just an "average citizen" does occur in similar situations (road rage driver chasing down, stopping and assaulting another driver for example), but the difference is these guys are Police officers, they are supposed to make us feel secure on the roads, and in everyday life, not provoke fear that if you get caught speeding, you may well get handed out a "Rodney King" style "infringement notice", and a "demerit" that looks like a black eye.

I will admit that most of the public do not know the full story (as you claim to), and I am sure you have a better version of events than us, but, I really struggle to believe that a Judge would find these cops guilty of assault if there was not compelling evidence to suggest that they where anything but guilty.

If they where off duty, and involved in an altercation in an inner city bar, resulting in assault charges, I am sure the result would be the same, but as it is, an "ordinary citizen" would not have been in the situation (pulling over a car for routine Police work), but, if for some reason a citizen felt compelled to stop a speeding vehicle, and then administered a bit of "Justice", then i am sure the results for this person in this hypothetical situation would be the same as the police officers (as far as a conviction for assault)

Lose their jobs too?

Yes...... the Police in NZ has seen a dramatic drop in respect from NZ as a whole (we all know why), and if one set of coppers get away with dealing out this kind of justice, then the publics perception will drop further.

The Police are in a position of trust, they need to be above reproach.

However, if you feel an injustice has been done, please enlighten us all, if it can be proved they are not guilty (and evidence supplied), then I would like to throw the full weight of my support into a retrial.

A bad cop is one thing, but a good cop that has been unfairly convicted of assault? that is a travesty.

[scumdog]

Erm ....... he is correct most likely, but if they where just "ordinary citizens", they would not have been driving in a police car, and flashed their Blue and reds, tooted their Police horn (if that was needed), and stopped him for "routine control", before getting out of their Police car (in their Police uniforms), and required the Victim (that is what he is now) to provide them with information only a Police officer can require you to give, (where the assault come in I don't know, but it is assault, because they have been convicted of the crime in a court of law).

Assault by just an "average citizen" does occur in similar situations (road rage driver chasing down, stopping and assaulting another driver for example), but the difference is these guys are Police officers, they are supposed to make us feel secure on the roads, and in everyday life, not provoke fear that if you get caught speeding, you may well get handed out a "Rodney King" style "infringement notice", and a "demerit" that looks like a black eye.

I will admit that most of the public do not know the full story (as you claim to), and I am sure you have a better version of events than us, but, I really struggle to believe that a Judge would find these cops guilty of assault if there was not compelling evidence to suggest that they where anything but guilty.

If they where off duty, and involved in an altercation in an inner city bar, resulting in assault charges, I am sure the result would be the same, but as it is, an "ordinary citizen" would not have been in the situation (pulling over a car for routine Police work), but, if for some reason a citizen felt compelled to stop a speeding vehicle, and then administered a bit of "Justice", then i am sure the results for this person in this hypothetical situation would be the same as the police officers (as far as a conviction for assault)

Lose their jobs too?

Yes...... the Police in NZ has seen a dramatic drop in respect from NZ as a whole (we all know why), and if one set of coppers get away with dealing out this kind of justice, then the publics perception will drop further.

The Police are in a position of trust, they need to be above reproach.

However, if you feel an injustice has been done, please enlighten us all, if it can be proved they are not guilty (and evidence supplied), then I would like to throw the full weight of my support into a retrial.

A bad cop is one thing, but a good cop that has been unfairly convicted of assault? that is a travesty.

An imbalance of punishment was what I was alluding to.

[Patrick]

Or is it one law for us, one for them?

Yes.... well spotted. Motorcyclists are above the law.

The cops got Community Work for a first offence and I bet their job is gone. Anyone else would have recieved a fine, at the most.

[SS90]

Yes.... well spotted. Motorcyclists are above the law.

The cops got Community Work for a first offence and I bet their job is gone. Anyone else would have recieved a fine, at the most.

hang on mate, these guys are Cops.

They assaulted someone (there must be clear evidence to support this, because if there was no physical evidence to prove it, and it was just "his word against 2 cops", then I seriously doubt it would have even made it further than depositions (if even that far)

I am fully supportive of good Cops doing their job, but a shit cop is only slightly better than a bad criminal.

I hear a few undertones of "Injustice" and "They didn't do it" (so on and so forth), can someone please enlighten us all to the details.......... Because if these two guys are being "stitched up" (as it where), then we all need to a) see proof, and b) support a retrial.

I also hear that he was an "undesirable prick", but, unless he was a kiddy fiddling, date raping, P dealing, murderer, who, at the time of the assault, had his dick in a woman he just killed, and pictures of him with naked kids on his person (i.e guilty as fuck) then he did not deserve a beating.

There must be 1 rule for Police, one rule for the public when it comes to assault.

The Police are in a position of trust, the general public generally speaking are not.