Tornado Alley
Originally Posted by Max Preload
ROFL. 1 car only = Pretty simple really. Not even a close comparison.A GOOD comparison?
If said copper gets charged and his lawyer asks for full disclosure, as they always do, just like for anyone else charged with anything.... how silly would it look if all the evidence isn't there, isn't measured up, isn't calculated, isn't even considered and all......? Would be a conspiracy, for sure.......Blardy dodgy......
L-Plate Rider
yea FUCK OFF - no cop car = no crash
Loud and Uncouth
Ooooh, another braniac on KB, no doubt MENSA will be hounding you to join them
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
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The instructions are simple...
Is that the South African men's rights group?Ooooh, another braniac on KB, no doubt MENSA will be hounding you to join them
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
L-Plate Rider
dogshit - don't roll your eyes you may stand in someOoooh, another braniac on KB, no doubt MENSA will be hounding you to join them
Tornado Alley
And by the same reckoning...
NO speeding ute, no U turn....????
L-Plate Rider
KISS for a simple life - peril complication - the primary road function = people moving forward in accord - this scenario deviant is authoritarian in nature and prone to chasing people from any direction - UturnUboat has claimed another swastika
Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
Not quite the same reckoning IMO. The driver of the ute has 0% responsibility for the crash and is guilty of no more than exceeding the speed limit. The ute driver may deserve an $80 or $120 fine for speeding, but he certainly deserves no guilt or responsibility for the death of the motorcyclist.
I agree that it isn't just the police officer at fault, the accident was caused by 2 vehicles - the police car and the motorcycle. The police office being the person that really should have known better than put lives at risk for the sake of issuing a traffic infringement ticket, I think we should expect better! The motorcyclist was unable to stop within the visible distance ahead of him, but unless anyone thinks his widow should pay a fine for that then we should forget about his part in this and accept that he has already paid way too high a price.
The issue yet to be resolved is what the police officer should pay for his part in the death of a motorist. My view is that as a road safety officer he has proven to be incompetent - being at least partly responsible for an accident causing death isn't what road safety is about. He should at least lose his job and face some sort of charges like dangerous driving causing death.
Blaming the ute driver sound like an attempt to deflect the blame and I hope that shit doesn't get tried in court.
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"If the cops didn't see it, I didn't do it!"
- George Carlin (RIP)
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and by the same reckoning, even more speeding on the ute and they would have crossed paths further down the road where a u-turn was safe. It's like that ad they got with the dude in the shitbox corrolla iirc, he should have sped more an passed people on the road then he would had passed the other car at a different point and not lost control into the power pole
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
The instructions are simple...
That's a red herring. The cop could (as anyone is allowed) have chosen to do a U-turn for any/no reason. His choice of where to pull that manouevre is the primary cause of the crash.
It is possible that the motorcyclist bore a small part of fault, since he couldn't stop in half the visible distance ahead. He may or not have been over the speed limit, no-one's saying. But in those circumstances of travelling on a straight road, and coming over the brow of a hill...there, but for the grace of, go 99% of us...hmmm?
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Tornado Alley
So some say. We've done this over and over, and it is not what I mean. The cause is the U turn.
How fast was the bike going? I don't know yet, but did it "play a part?" I don't know..... possibly.....?
The U turn resulted from a speeding ute? Did that too "play a part?" I would say so...
Tornado Alley
So how many "swastikas" has this "Uboat" earned? "Another...???" you say.....???
One too many...... sadly......
L-Plate Rider
Uboat captain John Key - deputy Judith Collins says no amount is enough - keep harvesting
Tornado Alley
Zen I vil be zent to ze cold front az I see nussing.... I see nussing.....
Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
I would say that is a stretch. The ute driver had no control over the police officers car and it wasn't his choice on whether/how/where to turn. The decision to make the turn where it was made came solely from within the head of the police officer driving the car. I just don't see how the blame for that U-turn can be spread any where else. The ute driver made it home safely without killing anybody, why blame him for the wrong-headed decision of a police officer.
If a boy racer is racing someone and spots a cop car, causing him to panic, which causes him to lose control and that leads to him hitting and killing a pedestrian - is the police officer in the cop car partly responsible for the death of that pedestrian? Personally I would say not even in the slightest. Same here - the ute driver isn't even in slightest amount responsible for what the police officer chose to do.
I think all police officers have a duty to not drive in a reckless many that endangers the public that they are sworn to protect, even when they are REALLY keen to write a ticket. I would hope that the vast majority of the police force are more careful about when & where they attempt a U-turn.
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"If the cops didn't see it, I didn't do it!"
- George Carlin (RIP)
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