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    Quote Originally Posted by AD345 View Post
    Open mindedness is not something I would equate with that drivel
    You just did, the "open mindedness" is the freedom of the reader to exercise their own choice and form their own opinion!

    There are powers surrounding us that would take that right away from us!

    Death by a thousand cuts!

    The individual freedoms that I have seen whittled away just in "my" lifetime are very concerning to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AD345 View Post
    Open mindedness is not something I would equate with that drivel
    I curious as to why... would you explain further?
    I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!

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    Perhaps he prefers the drivel espoused by the likes of CNN, Fox News, any Murdoch media outlet, increasingly the BBC, etc.......

    Perceptions of severe bias and info worthiness depend on which direction you are coming from.....Alex Jones and Co. do tend to run away with severe paranoia at times, and latterly have seemed to get more and more into the realms of "the world is all a big conspiracy and the elite are going to turn us all into slaves" mode - treating everything with a cynicism that even a hardened cynic like me finds hard to take at times.
    It's a pity because some of the earlier films were really excellent - particularly the one on the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty off Gaza in 1967.
    His films may be perceived of as "drivel" in many quarters, but there is some interesting and disturbing stuff buried away in most of them....and labelling is often a convenient way of dissing something without having to put up a counter argument!

    If he could cut them down to 15 mins, they would be a better watch.
    “- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    ....and labelling is often a convenient way of dissing something without having to put up a counter argument!
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    So very very true & far to often used by the ignorant.....or the brainwashed.
    Funny thing is most of us have this weird feeling that "something" is up but let political bias stop us from working with others of a different"colour", or we get caught up in the drivel that is mainstream media or consumerism.
    What amazes me is that so much emphassis is placed on the Fed. Reserve bank....its no more a reserve bank than kiwi bank, as I understand it was set up by Rothschilds etc who were the masterminds of one or 2 other collapses like the one in 1929.
    Funny thing too is I feel more inclined to listen to a conspiracy theory than politicians....they just seem more plausible.
    Makes sense to set us up to fail then use it as a reason to "assume" control.Fuck then lets also remove one or 2 rights at the same time for our own good & for the sake of public order.....
    The Heart is the drum keeping time for everyone....

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    As a long term interested observer of all things political

    my take is that we are indeed heading for a "new world order", but not one run by shadowy figures in the UN, government, the Vatican or any of the other traditional sources, but in fact a new world order where our affairs are managed by a small number of immensely powerful corporate entities because money is ultimately the source of all power. The UN may be able to pass resolutions, form research bodies and host conferences, but in reality is not only powerless but lacking any influence. Take climate change: the science is unequivocal, but the money is behind the sceptics, and even though their arguments are ultimately spurious, they're the ones who are believed. And they're believed because the best funded and most comprehensive PR campaign in history has told us that there is doubt about the science (without presenting anything substantive to support that argument) and that climate change is a scam to take our money from us.

    No, the new world order will be managed by Mobil Exxon, Walmart and Shell; all of whom are bigger economicaly than Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Norway, Portugal and New Zealand. It will be reported and spun by the six media giants that own over 90% of all media worldwide and it will benefit a very small number of men. A number that is decreasing every day - survival of the fittest.

    If you want a conspiracy theory, how about the one where the BP oil spill was the work of Mobil/Shell to remove a competitor and if you want to see a vision of tomorrow, Rollerball is actually better than most stuff on Youtube.
    Don't blame me, I voted Green.

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    A select group of international bankers have the history and track record for type to be the most likely candidates for establishing a NWO, expressly for their own benefit! (IMHO!)

    Quote: Give me control of the finances of the world and I care not who makes the laws! (Rothschild/international banker)

    International bankers "create, control, distribute and cancel money at will", the rest of the world are simply pawns in their game!

    Ask always, "who benefits" and it always comes back to the same source, the same select international banking fraternity!

    Quote: Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!

    When you really think about it, who the hell else, other than these bankers, needs a New World Order anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    A select group of international bankers have the history and track record for type to be the most likely candidates for establishing a NWO, expressly for their own benefit! (IMHO!)

    Quote: Give me control of the finances of the world and I care not who makes the laws! (Rothschild/international banker)

    International bankers "create, control, distribute and cancel money at will", the rest of the world are simply pawns in their game!

    Ask always, "who benefits" and it always comes back to the same source, the same select international banking fraternity!

    Quote: Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!

    When you really think about it, who the hell else, other than these bankers, needs a New World Order anyway?
    The cancellation of money being as easy as clicking enter. All you will have is the cash in your pocket. What do you, all, think will happen? No money, no food, no petrol, no electricity any more?

    These guys make politicians look like choir boys.

    As to whether anyone, or anything could do that?
    I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!

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    [QUOTE=shrub;1129827533]my take is that we are indeed heading for a "new world order"... where our affairs are managed by a small number of immensely powerful corporate entities QUOTE]

    I reckon we're there already.
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    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs
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    I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
    Thomas Jefferson
    It wasn't much better 200 yrs ago..........
    “- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”

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    SPman's "Jefferson" quote:

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs
    .I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
    Thomas Jefferson

    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    It wasn't much better 200 yrs ago..........
    Exactly what the New Zealand "Social Credit party" was saying and gaining >21% of the vote but only one or two seats in the house due to the inequality of the "first past the post" voting system!

    Imagine what 21% of the vote would have meant under proportional representation, even MMP!

    (who then was the real threat to the comfortable status quo?)

    On the pretence of combating and competing with "Robert Mulldoon" and his failing National party, Robert Jones formed the "New Zealand Party" to offer a more acceptable (to the shadowy status quo) alternative for dissatisfied swinging National and Labour voters!

    He disbanded the party following the 1984 election, mission accomplished and was "Knighted" for his effort!

    Why was he knighted? Why was Robert Mulldoon knighted?

    Who benefited most from the destruction of the Social Credit threat?

    (IMO)The only real casualty "was" the "Social Credit party", the old Labour/National coalition club carried on unchallenged until under immense pressure by the electorate at large for "proportional representation", a series of "referendum" were offered!

    The shadowy backers of the status quo manipulated the introduction of MMP!

    In the end MMP was the only offer on the table, take it or leave it, even I voted MMP rather than retain FPP!

    STV was always my personal preference of those on offer in the first referendum!

    MMP has proved to have disenfranchised the voters further from the decision making process than did FPP and clearly allows the politicians to choose a government among themselves and only accountable to their coalition members irrespective of the wishes of the bewildered and powerless electorate!

    Next years election will give us another chance to get a proportional system that holds the politicians responsible to the "electorate", rather than to each other at the expense of the electorate, as they do under MMP!

    I recommend STV (single transferable vote) as a more suitable system to make the politicians responsible to the electorate (the voters) once again!

    All I ask is that you all think about it before the referendum rather than repent in sorrow after the event!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post

    Next years election will give us another chance to get a proportional system that holds the politicians responsible to the "electorate", rather than to each other at the expense of the electorate, as they do under MMP!
    It won't come soon enough,you watch Nationals' Australian PR firm spin it's bullshit to the great unwashed.And like indifferent KFC scoffing/reality TV watching sheep they'll lap it up.

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    irrespective of the wishes of the bewildered and powerless electorate!
    Bewildered...yes. ....but only because most people still don't really know how to use the MMP voting system to best advantage.
    Powerless......because they are content to be so. If the majority of voters stopped being scared of life.....politicians or police only have to go Boo!, and the majority of people seem to run squealing behind doors happy to put up with whatever shit the assumed overlords dump on them. As long as they don't have to actually do anything..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    SPman's "Jefferson" quote:

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs
    .I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
    Thomas Jefferson




    STV was always my personal preference of those on offer in the first referendum!

    MMP has proved to have disenfranchised the voters further from the decision making process than did FPP and clearly allows the politicians to choose a government among themselves and only accountable to their coalition members irrespective of the wishes of the bewildered and powerless electorate!

    Next years election will give us another chance to get a proportional system that holds the politicians responsible to the "electorate", rather than to each other at the expense of the electorate, as they do under MMP!

    I recommend STV (single transferable vote) as a more suitable system to make the politicians responsible to the electorate (the voters) once again!

    All I ask is that you all think about it before the referendum rather than repent in sorrow after the event!
    Totally with you on these issues. I was not surprised to see, after being offered the carrot of MMP, we then got the one that suited the pollies! Re Obama -its a case of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" forever the puppet of the financial institutions! As the force behind Kennedy's assassination, its the most plausible.
    "Age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill"

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    Quote Originally Posted by eelracing View Post
    It won't come soon enough,you watch Nationals' Australian PR firm spin it's bullshit to the great unwashed.And like indifferent KFC scoffing/reality TV watching sheep they'll lap it up.
    Heads up chaps- Anthony Hubbard reports in Sunday Star Times "A group of activists with links to Act and National" are preparing a campaign against the electoral system, the details of which are becoming known. Those who don't want a return to FFP will need to make their voice heard.
    "Age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill"

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