Does drug prohibition put the police in danger and harm the public?

[scissorhands]

Agreed that being a stoned driver is unnacceptable, I was just highlighting relative harm.

Many people drive stoned as cluck every day. Seems funny that this has only become an issue last year??

And I believe few worldly ambitions is considered a spiritually good thing.....and good for the environment too

Contentment according to Chinese is the secret to happiness.

[Edbear]

So to get back to the main point of the thread regards whether prohibition is effective and necessary, while we wait for the responses I've asked for, I don't believe the ban on Cannabis or any other illegal drug is making the Police job harder or more dangerous, especially if we equate their problems with alcohol which also causes them serious issues along the same lines.

I believe the problem is a deeper one than just regulatory and decriminalsing Cannabis use may be okay for a minority but won't help much at all.

[scissorhands]

I spend a lot of time around tee totalling Hindu people with very strong religious AND spiritual lives.

These young men and women have never had a beer in their lives!!!! No coffee!!! and just the occasional caffeine tea (chai) maybe one cup of tea a week....

The calmness and lack of mood swings, high degree of parenting shown. Intelligence and career, married with family life, stable gatherings of other sober Indians, predictable and placid social gatherings....are to me admirable and ideal for EVERYONE ON EARTH. I'm not being facetious.

IDEAL is IDEAL but practically.... I cant see our culture doing this in the short term.

Cannabis is a safer option for those needing 'a few' a few times too often. AND it is safer regarding road accidents

[Banditbandit]

Ah I question the healthy claim. What is the reason and purpose for drinking or taking drugs? Both have a detrimental effect on the body and mind,

Drugs may have a detrimental effect on the body (not much in life doesn't ... including time) but only by the straight definition do they have a detrimental effect on the mind ... Yeah .. glue sniffing and other such crap will fuck you up completely ... that's not a drug ..... if you've every used drugs you wouldn't need to ask the question .. The answer is; "Because they are great !"

are depressants and diminish the taker's ability to focus and think clearly.

Not all drugs are depressants ... and the rest is only be straight definition.

[mashman]

OCD, ADHD - 20/20 last night, one woman had had enough when her son said he would rather be dead... what did she do to "help"?, not cure, but by christ she said it made a change... She describes the result as "Heaven, cause I get my little boy back"

Chapter 4, just after the ad

http://tvnz.co.nz/20-20/2020-s2010-e14-video-3686893

[scissorhands]

The ADHD and autism spectrum disorders often have kids on meds every day. Medpot is probably safer and more effective. A bit of booze at the right time would be okay too

However, a critical component to that news story was the obesity and junk food environment. Zoom to a brown rice, gluten free, diary free, outdoor lifestyle in the park future, and the need for any medication including cannabis would be less.

Thanks for the story Mashman...was out at the club again last night

[Hinny]

An amusing interlude for the stoners following this thread.

[marie_speeds]

12 year old at Manurewa Intermediate caught with a kilo of dope at school...hmmmmm

[mashman]

12 year old at Manurewa Intermediate caught with a kilo of dope at school...hmmmmm

... nothing new there really... but I hope they catch the shit that's sending it into the schools... On the upside, theology class would probably be a little more interesting... Would you accept a class at school that deals with drugs in a practical manner instead of theory?

[scissorhands]

hmmm

Kids, education and recreational drug taking dont really go together for me.

A class in drug and alcohol education would be good, but not sure about the practical component

[mashman]

hmmm

Kids, education and recreational drug taking dont really go together for me.

A class in drug and alcohol education would be good, but not sure about the practical component

fair enough, i'm not wholly sold on the idea myself. But I am currently just sitting on the, we should do it, side of the fence. Am always willing to be talked out of it lol. Friday afternoon, practical cannabis or alcohol class (is really what I meant). Lunch, "smoke/drink" and then back to the class for a discussion on the effects that you're feeling with the expert, your teacher ... t'would make for an interesting teacher pupil conversation, if not, then a "safe" social place for "experimentation"... That's why I think the idea holds merit. There's obviously much more to it than that, i know, parent consent, the teacher having to watch the kids whilst "consuming" to see who's just trying to get wellied and who's wondering about it and on and on and my gut tells me, i know, that the social consequences will be greatly nullified.

Stopping short of the Monthy Python Meaning Of Life Sex Ed class... for now "what's wrong with a kiss boy"

[scissorhands]

I read a story,'The Island' where an amazing lost culture was insidiously invaded by another culture who wanted their minerals.

These island folk people took mushrooms during an initiation into adulthood at the age of sixteen, in a temple high on the main central mountain of their island, there was ritual and priests.

Probably better than some woodstock bourbons and cigges behind the bike sheds

[marie_speeds]

... nothing new there really... but I hope they catch the shit that's sending it into the schools... On the upside, theology class would probably be a little more interesting... Would you accept a class at school that deals with drugs in a practical manner instead of theory?

I was actually thinking that if I'd known that school kids were carrying a kilo of dope around in their school bags I'd probably mug them.....

[mashman]

I read a story,'The Island' where an amazing lost culture was insidiously invaded by another culture who wanted their minerals.

These island folk people took mushrooms during an initiation into adulthood at the age of sixteen, in a temple high on the main central mountain of their island, there was ritual and priests.

Probably better than some woodstock bourbons and cigges behind the bike sheds

Well if we need priests... let's run it in conjunction with RE class

[Banditbandit]

I was actually thinking that if I'd known that school kids were carrying a kilo of dope around in their school bags I'd probably mug them.....

Oh, I thought you might have BEEN one of the kids at school with a kilo of herb ...