Islamisation

[Reckless]

Same story again the world over in any situation a few spoil it for the majority, and people learn to mistrust based on the actions of the few.

Surely then its up to the majority to rise up against the few that are giving their religion a very bad image. Even if its just more strongly publicly condemning their actions?
Look I don't even know any Muslims so I don't like or dislike them or their religion. But they are not portrayed very well publicly. They are shown to have mass prayer sessions Midday and at sunset (ish)? They are shown (at say at wake) to be out of control with grief not individually but as a mass and they are shown to have nothing but the desire to kill their own people ( and ours) in the name of god? Its very hard not to think the Iraq/muslim part of the world is not filled with complete and utter nutters?? As I say I have never been there or even know any Muslims so the jury is out for me, but the look isn't good, thats for sure!

Secondly just by coincidence I was watching Good morning over my weetbix LOL!. Guess what, they told a story about a NZ school that had two (I think) students that wanted to join and to not wear the usual school uniform and wear the Burka. The school said no the uniform was the uniform. The Education Board was into them quick smart! On the other side of the coin the girls wanted to wear pants in winter to keep warm, guess what they are still in dresses.
Did I read a post about earlier about being so politically correct we are shooting ourselves in the foot??
The worlds gone mad, Men don't face up and fight men anymore! We seem to have taken a step down in the decency scale over the last few years or maybe coverage of how we have always carried on in the world has got so much more in our faces.
Don't wanna spout doom and gloom as I'm really not that sort of person but a lot of the shit that happens out there just doesn't seem to have any rational behind it anymore??

[Paul in NZ]

Oh course us christians were just sooooo well behved when we invaded the world and trashed local religions etc.... The critical thing in every argument is not the colour of the religion but the seperation of religion and the state...

[toycollector10]

This is a good thread. This slow awakening as to what's going on with Islam is now taking place. And the debate is starting worldwide. As it should.

So as Europe crumbles under the weight of Islam, hopefully Australia and New Zealand will be able to sit back and observe and learn from what we see.

I recommend Pat Condell.

[Street Gerbil]

I seem to recall a young Adolf Hitler once espoused the same kind of rhetoric about Jews in Germany.... once upon a time.

I live in a New Zealand where all people are welcome to live here. Regardless of race or RELIGION.

I presume you would like to keep it that way?
You know, Lebanon once was a Christian country known officially as a "Riviera of the Middle East" and less officially "the place where you can whore and smoke all the weed you want". Guess what happened?
I am all for freedom of religion (please do not drag racial issues into this) as long it is a freedom of all religions as long as it does not turn to freedom of one religion at expense of all others.

[Fatt Max]

Fuck the muslims, it's the unchallenged increase in Arsenal supporters and Jenny Craig members that is pissing me off.....

Boring football and fucking diets, thats the end of societly for me mate......

[SS90]

This is a good thread. This slow awakening as to what's going on with Islam is now taking place. And the debate is starting worldwide. As it should.

So as Europe crumbles under the weight of Islam, hopefully Australia and New Zealand will be able to sit back and observe and learn from what we see.

I recommend Pat Condell.

Before I lived in Europe, I too would have agreed with what many people here are saying.

But what this geezer says is actually true.

You don't see it all the way back in NZ, but in Europe it is exactly as this guy puts it.

And it all has to be handled very carefully.

You cannot exactly have Germany or Austria throwing out it's Muslims, and or enacting laws to stifle their religious freedoms..... that would make them Nazi's in everyone's eyes. (well, those outside Europe anyway)..........

France is actually enacting laws to "curb" the Muslim influence, but many people here point out that when (not if) enough Muslim people can have a swing vote in Parliament (particularly Germany, but England will be first), things will change really fast......

But, it won't effect NZ, that is too far away...........

[Hitcher]

You know, Lebanon once was a Christian country known officially as a "Riviera of the Middle East" and less officially "the place where you can whore and smoke all the weed you want". Guess what happened?

You're telling the story, please continue...

[marie_speeds]

You know, Lebanon once was a Christian country known officially as a "Riviera of the Middle East" and less officially "the place where you can whore and smoke all the weed you want". Guess what happened?

Was that before or after the crusades?

[mattian]

I am quite gobsmaked at some of the bigotry on here towards Islam.

My Girlfriend happens to be an Indian Muslem and I am a Christain kiwi. I would be so embarrassed if she ever read half the shit I have been reading so far on here. This place is so full of rednecks.

[Street Gerbil]

Was that before or after the crusades?

That was right before Arafat and his thugs happened to them.

[pete376403]

I am quite gobsmaked at some of the bigotry on here towards Islam.

My Girlfriend happens to be an Indian Muslem and I am a Christain kiwi. I would be so embarrassed if she ever read half the shit I have been reading so far on here. This place is so full of rednecks.

Thats interesting - would you be allowed to marry without converting? (genuine question)

[toycollector10]

My Girlfriend happens to be an Indian Muslem and I am a Christain kiwi. I would be so embarrassed if she ever read half the shit I have been reading so far on here. This place is so full of rednecks.

Ask her what a Dhimmi is then. She'll probably blush. Ask about the concept of Dhimmitude, Jizya and Taqiyya or lying to conceal the reality of or the advance Islam.

You need to do some reading or at the very least change your avatar.

[mattian]

Thats interesting - would you be allowed to marry without converting? (genuine question)

possibly. I have never asked her. I know my family would have no objections.

[Street Gerbil]

I am quite gobsmaked at some of the bigotry on here towards Islam.

My Girlfriend happens to be an Indian Muslem and I am a Christain kiwi. I would be so embarrassed if she ever read half the shit I have been reading so far on here. This place is so full of rednecks.

I am not very comfortable with PC terminology, but I will pretend to play along. The issue is not with "Islam" or even "Moslems" but what is called "Islamism" and "Islamization".
Let me explain the difference:
* Islam is a major monotheistic religion that is sufficiently fuzzy to be interpreted in many given ways. 900 years ago the rise of Islam brought about a brief golden age of theology, science, and literature.
* A moslem is a person who adheres to Islam.
* Islamism is a belief that the world should belong to Islam and other beliefs should be stamped out. Some moslems subscribe to this belief. Others do not.
* Islamization is a process of implementing Islamism. In some places it is done with fire (e.g. Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, and G-d knows how many other places throughout the history), in others - by attrition (in Arafat's own words "the uterus is our deadliest weapon"), in yet others - by stealth (e.g. Sweden).
As long as moslem (or any other) immigrants are willing to make good on their promise to the State of NZ to become law abiding Kiwis preserving New Zealand that we know and love, rather than turn New Zealand into a beachhead for the place from which they came, I have no issue whatsoever with them. I guess that makes me a redneck and a racist too.

[mattian]

Ask her what a Dhimmi is then. She'll probably blush. Ask about the concept of Dhimmitude, Jizya and Taqiyya or lying to conceal the reality of or the advance Islam.

You need to do some reading or at the very least change your avatar.

Good god man. Those terms are about as relevant today as the Christian crusades of the middle ages.
You dont know anything about me, and you're telling me to do more reading????...... you truly are a judgemental fuck