Islamisation

[PrincessBandit]

Good god man. Those terms are about as relevant today as the Christian crusades of the middle ages.
You dont know anything about me, and you're telling me to do more reading????...... you truly are a judgemental fuck

Interesting first sentence in your post.

What is the harm in asking her? Are you afraid that you might upset her? Or that you will find an answer that is not to your liking? I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, simply curious.

Personally I do believe that islam is intent on worldwide domination. However, as a Christian, I can also acknowledge that Christianity too can be viewed in a pretty bad light historically. Sadly tolerance is severely lacking in fanatics of all religions.

[SS90]

Good god man. Those terms are about as relevant today as the Christian crusades of the middle ages.
You dont know anything about me, and you're telling me to do more reading????...... you truly are a judgemental fuck

Going by your ignorant response (the use of an expletive), I seriously question your "Christian" label.

As, I also query the fact that your girlfriend is a "Moslem".........

In my opinion (I am not alone in this) I true "Christian", or "Moslem", adhere to their respective "Bible's" (Koran).


The Koran is VERY VERY clear on "Non Moslem's", and "What to do with them"

To identify your self as belonging to ANY religion, SURELY you must adhere to that which is written in the book that your whole belief system is based on?

It would be like saying "I am a Vegetarian, but I eat Chicken", or " I don't drink alcohol, but I do drink rum on the weekend"

You cannot simply "pick and chose" what part of a religion you want too follow, and which not..... that is crazy.

You say you are a Christian, do you follow the word of the Bible, or are you simply identifying your self as one to "hedge your bets" when it comes to "Judgement day", (Unless "the Rapture" comes before that)..... Or do you chose not to follow that particular part?

Because, or course, if your day comes, and your are standing in front of the almighty, no matter how you have lived your life, you can always look in his omnipotent eyes and say "Yyyyyeeeesssss Ssssiiiiiirrrrrr, I always identified myself as a Christian, so that means I am one!"

The Koran tells clearly to Kill all "Infidels".... you sir, as a "Christan", are indeed, an "Infidel".

And that is the point of this thread.

Islamization of Europe.

The Koran tells it's followers to "Kill Infidels".....

Just because, like you identifying as a "Christian", SOME people identify as a Moslem (hedging their bets), and these same people decry their "extremist" mates for their actions, does not mean that these extremists will suddenly stop.

Please, come to Europe and see what these guys are talking about..... it is a very real situation.

[mattian]

Interesting first sentence in your post.

What is the harm in asking her? Are you afraid that you might upset her? Or that you will find an answer that is not to your liking? I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, simply curious.

Personally I do believe that islam is intent on worldwide domination. However, as a Christian, I can also acknowledge that Christianity too can be viewed in a pretty bad light historically. Sadly tolerance is severely lacking in fanatics of all religions.

I dont need to ask her, I know about those terms and the whole concept of SOME Islamists clandestine spread of their religion to other parts of the world. Just like the Christian Missionairies in Africa and some parts of Asia.
It is so unfortunate that the Moderate majority is drowned out by rednecks on both sides of the fence.

Its funny, in the whole time that we have been dating our respective religions have never been an issue. I find myself getting quite worked up trying to defend her culture.....haha. Think its time to get off the computer for a while....lolz

[Hitcher]

That was right before Arafat and his thugs happened to them.

Wrong country. Yasser Arafat was a Palestinian, not Lebanese.

Lebanon is not a "muslim" country as such. It has fallen foul of its superpower neighbour to the south on a couple of occasions. Generally the Yids aren't that respectful of their neighbours when they harbour terrorist groups like Hezbollah. Lebanon has had the shit bombed out of it on a couple of occasions, but its economy is pretty strong and it generally recovers.

[Hitcher]

Islamization by stealth (e.g. Sweden).

Immigration by low income people who may be muslim isn't Islamisation by stealth. The term "stealth" implies that there's some presiding intelligence or evil master plan afoot which there isn't.

Countries like Sweden, Germany, The Netherlands, France and the UK have been quite happy to accept low income people either from neighbouring states like Turkey (which is now a member of the EU and NATO) or from their previous colonial conquests. If those countries have erred it is because they allowed immigration at rates higher than can be easily assimilated.

Countries that have mature secular states should not be threatened by these advances, particularly if secularism is part of their constitution.

[Reckless]

If those countries have erred it is because they allowed immigration at rates higher than can be easily assimilated.

I Agree with your comments Hitch just like to point out this is also a NZ problem, we let great wads of the same nationality immigrate in very short periods of time.
I live in Howick East Auckland a really nice place and a new growth area. In some shopping areas there are not even any English signs, all Asian. A very large majority of the older people don't speak one word of English.
Asian immigration seems to have tailed off and over the last year or two its been white South African people and lots of them.
I have nothing at all against the Asian community they seem to be good clean living people and I'm very happy to live alongside them but NZ's immigration policy is one of the worst IMHO for what you say. Not their fault at all, if we moved country we would also hang out with our own kind. As NZer's do in say the gold coast.
Bloody hard not to appear be separatist if this is the situation in France etc.

[Winston001]

I think Mohammed will have no virgins waiting for them in the afterlife.

Just to clarify a wide-spread misunderstanding: the Quran does not say anywhere that there are 72 virgins waiting in Paradise.

In Islam there are 4 source of knowledge

1) Quran = the word of God

2) Hadith: prophets sayings and actions which elaborate on the Quran

3) Account of the life of the prophet, equivalent to the Bible

4) Scholarly writings on jurisprudence, manners, interpretations; you can say schools of thought.

Hadith number 2,562 in the collection known as the Sunan al-Tirmidhi says, "The least [reward] for the people of Heaven is 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome of pearls, aquamarine and ruby."

Wives can be translated as "houri" who are pure companions most beautiful of eye.

[Brian d marge]

Wives can be translated as "houri" who are pure companions most beautiful of eye.

He wasnt looking at my wife when he wrote that was he

Stephen

ps was that googled or are you not just a pretty face???????

[SS90]

Turkey (which is now a member of the EU and NATO)

Pfffft, since when?

I don't mean to be pedantic, but Turkey is certainly NOT a current member of the EU.

While some publications (Mainly controlled by Turkey, and/or strangely enough England) would suggest "It is a done deal", IF Turkey is granted membership (and that is a big IF), it would take a minimum of 10 years for them to come on line with the "Acquis accord", which is essentially the law of the EU.

There are 35 chapters, and as far as I am aware, Turkey only complies with 2 (out of 35!)

Civil rights are a massive issue in Turkey, and only the fact that their economy is booming makes them seem like an attractive proposition (that and their geographical location for military purposes)

If they where granted membership, the reality is that millions of Turks (that currently have to under go language and special skills training if they want to emigrate to the EU, (particularly Germany)), would flood into central Europe.

This, I assure you would create a wave of anomisity akin to the 1930's in Germany.

Look what happened when Romania (how the hell did that happen, I will never know), but however, they are not in the money union (for clear reasons) made it to EU status (remember not MONEY union, there is a difference).

As soon as their passports where accepted in England, bus after bus (and still, 2 years later it is still the same) leave Romania, and, as soon as possible, become a burden on the British tax payer.

Because they can.

No Education, no prospects......... and simply move to England.... I am sure there are special clauses that restrict people from certain countries (like Romania, Poland etc) from the right to live and work in some other EU countries, but I know that England lets them come.

Great!

Countries Like England and Germany (particulary Germany) prop the whole EU thing up, with out England and/or Germany, the whole thing fails.... if you allow poor unskilled migrant workers to, almost with out restriction flood these two countries (and be permitted to receive unemployment benefits, as well as family support (every family gets €125 per child, per month, regardless of income level in Germany and Austria), you seriously undermine the integrity of the whole EU financial system.

I assure you, Germany and Austria are 2 very very attractive prospects for most European countries..... amazing social security benefits (if you work, it comes out of your (get this) 42% tax rate), but if you have no job, it's free matey, free as it gets!

Yeee haaaa!

And you get a free apartment, internet, TV (oh, sorry, only 20 channels) and so on.

If "developing" countries are allowed to dump their "dead weight" on the established countries.... I assure you, the whole thing will fail.... and my guess is England will fall first.

[Swoop]

Lebanon has had the shit bombed out of it on a couple of occasions, but its economy is pretty strong and it generally recovers.

They have another arse kicking coming to them in the very near future...

[Reckless]

Just to clarify a wide-spread misunderstanding: the Quran does not say anywhere that there are 72 virgins waiting in Paradise.

Damn you Winston! I have to cancel my trip to Iraq now!! I was gonna join up?

[avgas]

Now is this a problem with Islam.....or political correctness?

Recently went to a friends engagement party. I am a close friend of both parties, but this was a very special indian engagement type thing. He is indian (with a severe dose of kiwi), she is Canadian.

After about 5 hours of her being polite to the entire Indian suburb of New Lynn, we all shot out - grabbed some champagne, and pizza. Took it back to house and sat down having a feed, a drink and a catchup.
Not a word was said - but I could feel the eyes of others on my neck. However now she was happy - as something of her was there now. If PC had taken over - we would not have got in the door with meat pizza....let alone BEEF!
But common sense prevailed here - and all that was requested was that I took the left over pizza home with me.

So everyone who feel like they are being fucked in the arse due to some religion........ask one question - why did you bend over in the first place?

[Fatt Max]

possibly. I have never asked her. I know my family would have no objections.

I did, she was well up for it.....

[marie_speeds]

The answers quite simple don't buy any more farken kebabs....

[Fatt Max]

The answers quite simple don't buy any more farken kebabs....

But......but.......but......

Sheesh, donner what I'm gonna do now....

'kin muslims, they got a sauce, eh

Mind you, they cant get SKY TV where they are cos there is a Telly-Ban......