Does drug prohibition put the police in danger and harm the public?

[Hinny]

Pot Idol

For all interested parties PM me for address to send entries.
Good prizes.

[scissorhands]

So...how are did they 'force' these countries into prohibition??

And what are they doing to 'coerce' the same countries into decriminalisation??

How does the USA benefit from NZ (for instance) doing ANYTHING?

India prohibited ganja in 1974 under pressure from the UN (USA), even though ganja is a big part of national history and lifestyle.

As far as coercion evidence goes, this stuff we never see............

How does the USA benefit by having our broadcasting channels disseminating pro USA propaganda?

[Hinny]

As far as coercion evidence goes, this stuff we never see............

DEA is a regular visitor to our shores to 'educate' Politicians and Police.

Why does the US want Drug Prohibition?
They wanted the Taliban out of power in Afghanistan when they started burning poppy fields and seized Opiates.
Put their 'Drug Lord' mates back in power.

Oliver North and the Contra scandal was a clear example of the way they may benefit from having drug prohibition.

[scumdog]

A shitload of paranoia and conspiracy theories being bandied around in some of the above posts I feel.


I blame the overuse of dak by some of the posters....

[scissorhands]

A lot of blindly parroting media and Gment bullshit in the posts above.

I blame corruption of fair ethics, job protection and institutional discrimination against a perceived wrong and illegality, that will one day become legal, once again as it was before.

Mexicans and black musicians must stop raping white women! lol

[mashman]

sighhhhhhhh... so so stoopid

"Zoe Baird owner of Cactus Liquor in Whangarei, which sold the pills, with names such as Fuel, Avionic, Kaotic and Kinetic, said they claimed to mimic Class A drugs like ecstasy and speed, but made you feel wide awake.

The substances weren't mind altering, and didn't make you want to steal TVs or break into homes, but too many could make people ill."

"said they claimed to mimic Class A drugs like ecstasy and speed, but made you feel wide awake"... WTF!!! Ecstasy and Speed must make you feel drowsy the ignorance is astonishing... but shows the incorrect perceptions that surround "social" drugs...

I know that every time I ever popped a mind bending Class A drug, I had an instant burning need to rush out and break into peoples houses for their TV's ... If you were Eee'd of yer nut you'd never get past the stereo as you'd be compelled to pop on a tune ...

Come on NZ, let's have some sensible laws for a change and some REAL education instead of patronising a vast chunk of the population with propoganda and scare tactics to limit drug usage...

[SMOKEU]

A shitload of paranoia and conspiracy theories being bandied around in some of the above posts I feel.


I blame the overuse of dak by some of the posters....

The government is out to get us!

[Hinny]

A shitload of paranoia and conspiracy theories being bandied around in some of the above posts I feel.


I blame the overuse of dak by some of the posters....

Scummy, You would definitely be classed as a Rocker and not a Mod .
Whatever keeps you happy.

[Banditbandit]

Scummy, You would definitely be classed as a Rocker and not a Mod .
Whatever keeps you happy.

Hmm ... if my memory serves me well ...

"Rockers" ... ride motorcycles .. another name (older name) for bikers ... isn't this a Biker Forum ?

And since when was a good smoke the sign of a Mod ? Bikers have been smoking longer than Mods have been around ..

[scissorhands]

sighhhhhhhh... so so stoopid

"Zoe Baird owner of Cactus Liquor in Whangarei, which sold the pills, with names such as Fuel, Avionic, Kaotic and Kinetic, said they claimed to mimic Class A drugs like ecstasy and speed, but made you feel wide awake.

The substances weren't mind altering, and didn't make you want to steal TVs or break into homes, but too many could make people ill."

"said they claimed to mimic Class A drugs like ecstasy and speed, but made you feel wide awake"... WTF!!! Ecstasy and Speed must make you feel drowsy the ignorance is astonishing... but shows the incorrect perceptions that surround "social" drugs...

I know that every time I ever popped a mind bending Class A drug, I had an instant burning need to rush out and break into peoples houses for their TV's ... If you were Eee'd of yer nut you'd never get past the stereo as you'd be compelled to pop on a tune ...

Come on NZ, let's have some sensible laws for a change and some REAL education instead of patronising a vast chunk of the population with propoganda and scare tactics to limit drug usage...

I tried to find quality educational drug videos on youtube but came up with average.



Is there any quality drug education? I found this quality piece Dope Tips 2 from nelson council: http://www.healthaction.org.nz/Dope_Tips_II.htm

If smoking, only inhale small breaths and avoid holding the smoke in your lungs!! everyone is doing it wrong!! (I now refuse bongs and large lungful utencils to avoid excessive broncial damage)

Ya see, prohibition prevents people from hearing these helpful recommendations, or any balanced advice....

[mashman]

I tried to find educational drug videos on youtube but came up empty handed.

Is there any quality drug education? I found this quality piece Dope Tips 2 from nelson council: http://www.healthaction.org.nz/Dope_Tips_II.htm

If smoking, only inhale small breaths and avoid holding the smoke in your lungs!! everyone is doing it wrong!! (I now refuse bongs and large lungful utencils to avoid excessive broncial damage)

Ya see, prohibition prevents people from hearing these helpful recommendations, or any balanced advice....

she could do with a smoke such a bad bad video... not tried Heroin, been offered a few times, but because I KNOW it can be an accidental killer it really doesn't float my boat... So my brain is an egg that's being pummelled to death by some bitch with a frying pan when taking Heroin... kinda surprised that anyone takes it on that EVIDENCE

True... for me the only quality drug education, as unpopular as people seem to think , is that of actually doing it... not being press ganged into it, but actually gathering with the specific purpose of taking, feeling, analysing and talking about the effects... we're treating kids (read 14+) like kids and most are way beyond that... a byproduct being that whenever we tell them NO (some kids don't take NO well), they do the exact opposite... as far as i can tell maturity, experience and the odd law are about the only things that seperate a 14yr old from a 40yr old... and perhaps if you treat kids (14+) like adults and educate them PROPERLY, they'll make their own minds up based on FACTS and not urban legend (stealing TV's tsk)...

I doubt the numbers of "users" are dropping, so perhaps the best method of "containment" is FACT based education...

[Edbear]

I have received a reply from Judith Collins and have been informed that Tony Ryall will be sending me his response shortly.

I found it interesting that it's not a simple matter of enforcement, but a combination of enforcement and education, working with the various community services to address drug taking in NZ.

I'll look further into the overall picture of the "drug culture" and what the various Govt. departments are doing.

[Edbear]

I tried to find quality educational drug videos on youtube but came up with average.



Is there any quality drug education? I found this quality piece Dope Tips 2 from nelson council: http://www.healthaction.org.nz/Dope_Tips_II.htm

If smoking, only inhale small breaths and avoid holding the smoke in your lungs!! everyone is doing it wrong!! (I now refuse bongs and large lungful utencils to avoid excessive broncial damage)

Ya see, prohibition prevents people from hearing these helpful recommendations, or any balanced advice....

Helpful recommendations? Smoking anything results in a high risk of several different forms of cancer, including lung, throat, mouth - along with other health issues such as Emphysema, Bronchial diseases, etc. There is no such thing as a safe way to smoke and recommending anyone to smoke anything is irresponsible.

Health-wise, Cannabis has no benefits unless there can be some found in medicine using substances in the plant which would be administered in a different manner and not adversely affecting the mind or body as does smoking it. Currently it is a recreational drug taken with the intent of reduced responsibility and as such is only ever going to harm the user, as with any recreational drug, including alcohol.

All you and your supporters are doing is seeking to justify using Cannabis as a recreational drug and to be able to do so without consequences.

[scissorhands]

Smoking is harmful, and so is making children walk down rush hour roads, and wait in bus stops..... Below is Jesus embracing ethnobotanicals, or drugs as you say.

Regarding my Aspergers, clinicians at Autism NZ and my GP both think moderate cannabis selfmedication is better for me than drinking grog, being on medication, smoking cigarettes, eating crap, drinking lots of coffee.

They have both said this first hand to me.....

I guess Judith has a legal understanding and not a medical one. If I believed her I would be worse off health wise.

[Edbear]

Smoking is harmful, and so is making children walk down rush hour roads, and wait in bus stops..... Below is Jesus embracing ethnobotanicals, or drugs as you say.

Regarding my Aspergers, clinicians at Autism NZ and my GP both think moderate cannabis selfmedication is better for me than drinking grog, being on medication, smoking cigarettes, eating crap, drinking lots of coffee.

They have both said this first hand to me.....

I guess Judith has a legal understanding and not a medical one. If I believed her I would be worse off health wise.

While I genuinely sympathise with you on your Asperger's, nothing you have just posted alters the truth of what I said above. The attachment is merely someone's fantasy.

You say that Cannabis is your preferred medication and you would rather the risks of smoking weed than the side effects of any "approved" drug. Alcohol would, I think, be one of the worst drugs for your illness, so no argument there.

Note that Judith's letter was the result of consultation with the Police and included the fact that the Police do not simply enforce the law, but work with all the relevant social services to address the problem in toto including education.

To compare smoking Cannabis with walking down streets and waiting at bus stops is demonstrating the same attitude as many use when defending views that are not fact based, but are prejudice based. The comparison is invalid if you were thinking open-mindedly and logically.