When is "cordura" not Cordura?

[davebullet]

Well geez. I've had a few bourbons, so the keyboard won't get the usual mental guarding I afford.

Look at it this way, if I ran a business and believed others were claiming something about their products that I believed was not true, I would probably address it directly with the affected manufacturer and if they couldn't prove it, decided not to prove it or ignored me, I'd take it up with the standards body.

If the above had failed, I would worry about people buying gear that I believed may not afford them protection that a brand name used might imply. That might cause me (when I believe things are being mis-represented or my product is better) to promote my product or demote someone elses. It could be because I care about bikers' safety more than lining my own wallet. It could be that I am a passionate motorcyclist, who knows how a crash without the right gear can mean the difference between a quality of life and just a life.

I've never bought 1tonne gear. I cannot comment on it. I know Quasi hasn't posted any indepdent crash test results on his site, comparing "slide for slide" how his product might compare with another well known brand. I can't find similar testing on 1tonne's site either.

Legal suing / brands and other implications and cavaet emptor aside, it would be great if there was a standard abrasion, warmth and dryness test for motorcycle apparel. Having said that, getting "assessed" or "standardised" would probably cost someone like Quasi or 1tonne way way too to much to have done and put you them out of business; because if they did have it done, then they would just have to add that cost onto the jacket price to assure the consumer their product was at a standard stated. We win (knowing what we are buying) but lose (because we pay more than we would otherwise with some research and decisions based on referral).

What we are left with is cavet emptor. I don't know much about motorcycle gear. I haven't binned so I don't know what would handle it and what wouldn't. I have a cheap Hein Gericke jacket I bought for $120NZ - yes that's all. My friend crashed in it at 40kph - and it tore through at the forearm and he got road rash.

I have the same type of jacket. It is warm and dry but I DO NOT trust it. On longer / higher speed trips, I really really only feel safe in my leather jacket.

All I can say people is cavet emptor and back that up with you you usually get what you pay for.

None of the comments have changed my mind over my recent leather jacket purchase. A bin will tell, but I can tell you it is as snug, secure as the day I bought it and that is with almost daily use. Buying quality gear that lasts will save you money and might save your flesh.

[Owl]

Would you buy a parachute for less than 1/4 of the price of the going rate without being suspicious about how good it was?

My last parachute cost me $50 and came with a harness.



Here it is

[phill-k]

That's what sparked off this initially. You speak of Cordura as though it is a generic material (as I also tend to do). However "genuine" Cordura is made by Invsita in Texas. While it may be available all over the world, it is not made all over the world.
http://www.cordura.com/

Invista only own the brand name and the tickets to state the product meets its standards, I think you will find the fabric is manufactured in Asia.

I quote from their site - INVISTA authorized mills that produce qualifying CORDURA® fabrics are the backbone of the CORDURA® brand. Which is why we’re making it easier for mills to get all the important information they need, all from one place. Here you’ll find our approved brand talking points, and have the opportunity to view and download our CORDURA® brand Quality Standards along with other valuable technical information. Authorized mills that are currently producing CORDURA® fabrics can also request trademark license agreements and order hangtags and sew-in-labels. Prospective mills can request consideration for authorized mill status.

So there is not special technology behind Cordura only a methodology of construction. The link on their site to actual factories manufacturing the Cordura style of fabric is broken so as these factories are licensed you can bet like other big brands the manufacturing goes on in Asia.
You can but a Nike brand shoe pay top dollar for same, knowing the company takes advantage of cheap labour in Asia, spends some of their profits on research, which other manufacturers can discover simply by purchasing the product and duplicate it, sometimes equally as well. You can if you wish purchase the branded product, contribute to their often incredible profits, and thus the small proportion allocated to R&D or take the care to purchase a "copy" making sure that the quality is there. Short of a standard being in place it is difficult to sometimes determine whether, the product purchased is suitable to purpose, thus under our consumer guarantees act the purchaser has some protection from manufacturers making claims about their product, when said product falls short. Ultimately however Caveat Emptor applies.

[Highlander]

My last parachute cost me $50 and came with a harness.



Here it is

Is that the one that was advertised as "used once, unopened"?

[sinned]

I've never bought 1tonne gear. I cannot comment on it. I know Quasi hasn't posted any indepdent crash test results on his site, comparing "slide for slide" how his product might compare with another well known brand. I can't find similar testing on 1tonne's site either.

I have the same type of jacket. It is warm and dry but I DO NOT trust it. On longer / higher speed trips, I really really only feel safe in my leather jacket.

All I can say people is cavet emptor and back that up with you you usually get what you pay for.

None of the comments have changed my mind over my recent leather jacket purchase. A bin will tell, but I can tell you it is as snug, secure as the day I bought it and that is with almost daily use. Buying quality gear that lasts will save you money and might save your flesh.

Full testing in a way cars are crashed tested will never happen. However, next best is how actual products stand up to the occasional crash or slide on the track. There are a few local suppliers who can say their products don't pop the seams on a slide down the track - that is a good enough test for me.

[Muppet]

Well, after reading this online domestic dispute, I'm even more confused than ever. I was seriously looking at 1Tonne pants as my Teknic ones have bit the bullet after many years of punishment in all weathers. Frankly like Robert DeNiro said in the movie Ronin, "if there's any doubt there's no doubt". I'm going to go to either Emoto, Hampton Honda or Budget' here in the garden city and have a look at the Dririder and Teknic stuff, twice the price but peace of mind. Having had a major crash 2 years ago on a public road I can tell you that I will not skimp on gear. I feel the waters are too muddied with these outfits that are selling jackets for $200 and pants for less. The gear I crashed in was BMW. Jacket $1500, pants $800, gloves $250, boots $700, helmet $1500. My 'only' injury was my thigh which was impaled by a bike part which no gear on this earth could have stopped. Oh and a broken arm. The rest of it (gear) remained intact and had to be cut off.

Quasi if you're reading this, do you make any textile gear as I couldn't find any on you site. Cheers.

[avgas]

Cordura is not cordura if its not grown in a small town in France.
Then its called Methode du Traditionalle or something.

[Grubber]

Fact is that this jacket of yours isnt Cordura it is a fake cordura, so again you mislead the market with false advertising which is something you adopt so readily even if only the B.S RRP claims, and professional race suits claims
Honour lol, funny !!

I am and have been involved on KB for 7 years, and am active on many threads actually. Unlike you.

Dont you need to go and pay Shaun some more money ???

Are you reading this properly now!

No it wasn't. Go back and read it again and smack yourself around the head 100 times with a clue bat until you see the words on the monitor rather than those formed by the alphabet soup in your pea head.

Have another look you ranting fool!

So emotive claims of things like inflated RRP (this is a personal opinion from 1tonne which was responded to by quasi with the use of sarcasm I grant you) and the false claim of using 'CODURA' is ok in your books then? If you knew about it being a false statement on 1tonnes behalf, would you tell people? I would...not just that, ANYONE misinforming people, knowingly or otherwise...the fact is (as I keep repeating myself for slow learners) 1tonne jackets DO NOT USE CODURA and were saying they did. The have fixed this issue now thanks to Quasi bringing this up (in a polite way I might add - hell, he even offered the contact details for the CODURA rep to make sure 1tonne's supplier wasn't ripping him off FFS) and now each can go on selling to their respective customers.

Grubber, the more you go on about this, the more you will harm the business of 1tonne as I will continue to defend Quasi's actions until people like you see the truth...so if you want to continue, I'm not adverse to either. If you were to ask 1tonne however, I'm sure he would like this thread to go away now that things have been cleared up.

Defend him all you like. TRUTH??? All a bit ambiguous by the looks of it.

I'm going to get me some ALPINESTARS

Best plan i've heard in ages.

[1tonne]

Well, after reading this online domestic dispute, I'm even more confused than ever. I was seriously looking at 1Tonne pants as my Teknic ones have bit the bullet after many years of punishment in all weathers. Frankly like Robert DeNiro said in the movie Ronin, "if there's any doubt there's no doubt". I'm going to go to either Emoto, Hampton Honda or Budget' here in the garden city and have a look at the Dririder and Teknic stuff, twice the price but peace of mind. Having had a major crash 2 years ago on a public road I can tell you that I will not skimp on gear. I feel the waters are too muddied with these outfits that are selling jackets for $200 and pants for less. The gear I crashed in was BMW. Jacket $1500, pants $800, gloves $250, boots $700, helmet $1500. My 'only' injury was my thigh which was impaled by a bike part which no gear on this earth could have stopped. Oh and a broken arm. The rest of it (gear) remained intact and had to be cut off.

Quasi if you're reading this, do you make any textile gear as I couldn't find any on you site. Cheers.

Hi.

You can trust the quality of our garments as they are very high quality. If you purchase from us and find the the garments are not as good as what we say, you are most welcome to send it back for a refund and then post on here.
You will be impressed.
I would recomend the All Season Explorer Jacket and the Ranger pants. (both are worn by the wellington police and they are very happy with the quality. Previously they had BMW gear.)

Cheers

[Quasievil]

Well, after reading this online domestic dispute, I'm even more confused than ever. I was seriously looking at 1Tonne pants as my Teknic ones have bit the bullet after many years of punishment in all weathers. Frankly like Robert DeNiro said in the movie Ronin, "if there's any doubt there's no doubt". I'm going to go to either Emoto, Hampton Honda or Budget' here in the garden city and have a look at the Dririder and Teknic stuff, twice the price but peace of mind. Having had a major crash 2 years ago on a public road I can tell you that I will not skimp on gear. I feel the waters are too muddied with these outfits that are selling jackets for $200 and pants for less. The gear I crashed in was BMW. Jacket $1500, pants $800, gloves $250, boots $700, helmet $1500. My 'only' injury was my thigh which was impaled by a bike part which no gear on this earth could have stopped. Oh and a broken arm. The rest of it (gear) remained intact and had to be cut off.

Quasi if you're reading this, do you make any textile gear as I couldn't find any on you site. Cheers.

No we dont sorry, we thought of bringing in genuine Cordura but as the market is full of cheap NON cordura crap we wouldnt be able to compete with the fakes so we wont, the market is full of it and most of it is cheap crap no matter how well it seems to be defended, We do RUKKA however which high end and are in the process of putting this on our site.

[The Pastor]

Hi.

You can trust the quality of our garments as they are very high quality. If you purchase from us and find the the garments are not as good as what we say, you are most welcome to send it back for a refund and then post on here.
You will be impressed.
I would recomend the All Season Explorer Jacket and the Ranger pants. (both are worn by the wellington police and they are very happy with the quality. Previously they had BMW gear.)

Cheers

Woah, you sound way more clued up than the other retailer on here, might have to check out your gear sometime. Such a nice change to having a professional approach rather than a hunchback bag of attitude!

[The Pastor]

I used to think there was no such thing as bad publicity. Then I met qmoto..

[1tonne]

Woah, you sound way more clued up than the other retailer on here, might have to check out your gear sometime. Such a nice change to having a professional approach rather than a hunchback bag of attitude!

Thanks for that. Cheers.

[Rogue Rider]

Hey there was a debate a while back, My Rjays jacket has a Cordura label sewn on the inside. Does that make it genuine Cordura, or just a rip off.

[BOMBER]

Woah, you sound way more clued up than the other retailer on here, might have to check out your gear sometime. Such a nice change to having a professional approach rather than a hunchback bag of attitude!

Yeah Bad Mr Quasi for telling it how it is......not, stick your head back up ya botty hole Renegade it will all go away.