Where has common sense gone?

[Squiggles]

You miss my point. You also ride for enjoyment, which makes you a biker. It's those whose only interest in motorbikes is cheap commuter transport that often (not always, but often) give us a very bad name. I've talked to several who have zero interest in even buying any protective gear above their battered open-face helmet, as "I bought the scooter to save money, I don't want to spend more money!"

Still, I'm sure their view will change after a visit or two to the local medical centre.

Alternatively its the ones who ride only for enjoyment/adrenalin fix (usually with scant regard for the rest of us) who provide the govt with the best ammunition... (Also, my experiences with this sort suggest they'll rack up a big bill in medical costs then retire from riding)

[tamarillo]

Seems pretty simple to me.

My options are a big v-twin bike doing over 40mpg or car doing around 30mpg or 4wd doing around 25mpg, less time on the road on the bike, bike must be more environmentally friendly. If you conservatively double the fuel economy for a scooter how the hell can it be worse than a car?

Ok - but why the hell does a bike only do 40 mpg? Any new car less than 2 litres can do that easily and many can do much better. My Trophy uses damn nearly as much gas as my old BMW car.
Answer is - we don't buy economical bikes - we buy fast ones. If we all bought modern 250 to 400 cc commuters we could claim moral high ground - but we don't.
Sorry but it pisses me off when bikers try to claim some moral high ground as if they are exempt from consumption and pollution problems. We should just admit we enjoy them.
I do agree that ACC charges are stupid - used to be some bikers kept a scooter for going to work whereas now that does not seem feasable.

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[Gremlin]

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, by the name of Common Sense, who has been with us for many years.

No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valued lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not kids, are in charge).

His health began to rapidly deteriorate when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Finally, Common sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense finally gave up the ghost after athletes and CEOs salaries increased to between 9 thousand and 90 thousand dollars per HOUR, and woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, spilled it in her lap, and was awarded a huge settlement for simply being stupid.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers; My Rights and Ima Whiner.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

[Big Dave]

Where?

I have it. I'll let you see it for $10.

[Mom]

Sorry but it pisses me off when bikers try to claim some moral high ground as if they are exempt from consumption and pollution problems.

I think it may actually be you that is claiming the high ground here. I will bet that a motorbike will be far more fuel efficient than a car as it pootles through Auckland peak hour traffic when compared to cars sitting idling along, burning gas up while stationary.

The article I have used to base this thread on is talking about scooters. You can not for one moment expect anyone to accept they are not more fuel efficient than a car?

[ukusa]

I think it may actually be you that is claiming the high ground here. I will bet that a motorbike will be far more fuel efficient than a car as it pootles through Auckland peak hour traffic when compared to cars sitting idling along, burning gas up while stationary.

The article I have used to base this thread on is talking about scooters. You can not for one moment expect anyone to accept they are not more fuel efficient than a car?

not to mention the landfill they create when they've past their used by date.

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[caseye]

Hi Jacked ! Aw well, sorry Mom theer are Morons on here who'd rather argue the preposturious theory that a car is even remotely as efficient as a bike/scooter.
KB used to be a great place to come for a laugh, but these days all I see is a bunch of whining snivelling puppets with someone elses hand up their arse telling them what to say.
Since when do we hairy arsed bikers give someone like this bloody SIMPY1 the time of day.
Piss Off simpy1 and take yer ratty arsed 2fiddy with you.
BOLLOCKS to your theory and crap about "the research"
Petrol in, peetrol burnt vehicle goes so many K's.
As for Globsal Warming, don't get me started, like I said.Piss Off!

[simpy1]

KB used to be a great place to come for a laugh, but these days all I see is a bunch of whining snivelling puppets with someone elses hand up their arse telling them what to say.

Followed by a whole bunch of whining. Ahaha, irony is a wonderful thing.

I, being a qualified and professional environmental scientist, do believe that climate change is real. But also, as someone who thinks for themselves (and a rabid pessimist), I don't think we can do much to change peoples' behaviour. Plus, NZ is basically insignificant on the world stage.

We're all doomed. As sad as that sounds, the only logical thing left to do is to have a ton of fun. Hence why I bought a motorbike. I await my full licence, so I can get a bigger bike too. Sorry my 250 doesn't make me as manly as you, Caseye. But I wish everyone here well on their awesome machines!

I just don't recommend going around claiming to be saving the planet by riding a motorcycle instead of driving a car. Motorbikes are fun, that's all the reason you need!

[Maha]

Followed by a whole bunch of whining. Ahaha, irony is a wonderful thing.

I, being a qualified and professional environmental scientist, do believe that climate change is real. But also, as someone who thinks for themselves (and a rabid pessimist), I don't think we can do much to change peoples' behaviour. Plus, NZ is basically insignificant on the world stage.

We're all doomed. As sad as that sounds, the only logical thing left to do is to have a ton of fun. Hence why I bought a motorbike. I await my full licence, so I can get a bigger bike too. Sorry my 250 doesn't make me as manly as you, Caseye. But I wish everyone here well on their awesome machines!

I just don't recommend going around claiming to be saving the planet by riding a motorcycle instead of driving a car. Motorbikes are fun, that's all the reason you need!

Climate Change is real, state the obvious?
Its been changing forever, when has the worlds climate ever been stable?
I remember living in Taupo in the mid 80's and the temp during the summer was up in the 30's, often around 31-32 degs. Dont really get those temps nowadays, perhaps more high 20's if we're lucky. In summary, its cooling down.

[caseye]

Followed by a whole bunch of whining. Ahaha, irony is a wonderful thing.

I, being a qualified and professional environmental scientist, do believe that climate change is real. But also, as someone who thinks for themselves (and a rabid pessimist), I don't think we can do much to change peoples' behaviour. Plus, NZ is basically insignificant on the world stage.

We're all doomed. As sad as that sounds, the only logical thing left to do is to have a ton of fun. Hence why I bought a motorbike. I await my full licence, so I can get a bigger bike too. Sorry my 250 doesn't make me as manly as you, Caseye. But I wish everyone here well on their awesome machines!

I just don't recommend going around claiming to be saving the planet by riding a motorcycle instead of driving a car. Motorbikes are fun, that's all the reason you need!

Ha nice Repart'e, the reference to taking yer 2fiddy was just that, riding anything is the whole point.
Irony is not lost on many here, strange as it may seem.
Climate change is real, I'll give you that.

Can you say which way it's going with any degree of certaintity?

I'm a simple soul who's been around engines of one sort or another for many years.
I've yet to see a car go as far for as little and without polluting what air we have left as much as a motorbike.
You make sweeping statements "we're all doomed"
We are all going to die, if thats what yoy mean?
Read some of the more popular posts going here and you'll soon see what I was referring to with regards to some being mouth pieces for others and the arguement never being completed for lack of a decent apology from one side or the other.
here in KB getting a concensus is nigh on impossible, even if your'e right there is always someone here who knows better.

"I, being a qualified and professional environmental scientist," Please could you tell me if your name appears on the register of "SCIENTISTS"( People, who deal only with proven, known, irrefutable facts ) who agree that global warming is a man made phenomenon.That is going to escalate to the point where we are all doomed.
To my knowldge there is not yet one actual Scientist who has put ther name to that particular document.
Yet it is adorned with the squiggles of upwards of 3000 people who are neither actual scientists or experts in the field of cause and effect for or against global warming .

[Woodman]

Getting away from the pollution debate, the other issue is the traffic congestion.

The theory being, that if more people rode motorcycles/scooters the congestion problem would be solved. This may well work in some countries with warm climates, but new Zealand just has not got the weather for everyday motorcycling. And then there are the ATGATT nazis who will make scootering around even more inconvenient.
Sorry but this just ain't the country to do it, Vietnam, Thailand yes definitely. UNZUD, no way.

[bogan]

just skimmed the rest, but didn't see any mention of pollution incurred in production, doesn't take as much to produce a scoot as it does a 'rolla. Many reckon the pollution cost of this far outweighs the pollution produce by running it.

Also, who the fuck thinks a car is more fuel efficient than a scoot

[Mom]

new Zealand just has not got the weather for everyday motorcycling.

Really? Best you tell that to all the people that commute to work every day on 2 wheels. I dont commute, but have been known to ride out in torrential rain in the dead of winter, just cos I can.