Have I got a leg to stand on? Or time to suck up and pay?

[Latte]

I guess now you have a semi-decent amount of fines, you could always go hard, rack up thousands, then get it wiped for a few days of community service? (I found getting $1000+ tickets easy, I could never bring myself to do Community service, so ended up paying em off $25 a week),

P/T

Glad to see you are taking it well, you might be able to get off one of them reading some of the other posts about double jeopardy - always worth a shot.

And Genie: coool , you'll be fine, didn't find the full any harder than the restricted (actually easier now I think about it).

[TimeOut]

No I did not see any posted speeds. And in doing so I was sticking to a speed that's always been there. 80km/h... the same speed the other traffic that was flowing around me also. The cop did say there was a 60 sign 80 meters back or so from where he caught me but the fact is I didn't see it. So in saying that it's one of the biggest cases of bulsh fines I've seen, yes I WAS going faster than the posted speed i didn't see at the time. So yeah I understand that there will be no way in hell Ill be able to get fully off the fine, but what I'm mainly pissed off about is the fact that A. I am already getting charged for the speed I was travelling. B. I'm already getting charged for a Licence breach. And C for fuck sakes its the bloody motorway that's universally known for going 100 (80 around the Bridge and Spagetti Junction). Remember the fact that I still thought it was an 80km/h area, there is no way in hell I'm going to sit at 70km/h on an open road on a small 2 wheeled vehicle on NZ's busiest road.

Also a note if I am to do a restricted test us learners often get told to travel at the open road speed.

Seems to me he was just trying to meet his damned quota for the week rather than make the road safer....

The cop said he clocked you 80m inside the 60k sign, I thought there was a 200m leeway from the sign.

[Spuds1234]

The cop said he clocked you 80m inside the 60k sign, I thought there was a 200m leeway from the sign.

You thought wrong. Thats an urban myth. I can think of atleast 2 places where there is a speed change down here and it would be quite dangerous to speed up before the sign, or slow down only 200m after the sign.

[Banditbandit]

The cop said he clocked you 80m inside the 60k sign, I thought there was a 200m leeway from the sign.

You thought wrong. Thats an urban myth. I can think of at least 2 places where there is a speed change down here and it would be quite dangerous to speed up before the sign, or slow down only 200m after the sign.

Yup ... you must be doing the posted speed AS YOU PASS the signs showing that speed. So you have to slow down BEFORE the signs ....

No-one does I know .... 'cept maybe Katman ...

So a cop can set up just inside a 50k zone .. and pinge everyone doing more than 50ks as they hit the line between the signs ...

[steve_t]

Taken from police.govt.nz

# When enforcement is taking place in an area where drivers are making the transition from a higher speed to a lower speed area, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres from the point where the speed limit changes unless there are good reasons to do so, such as protecting people operating at road works or to ensure the safety of children. (This does not apply within school zones.)
# When speed camera enforcement is taking place in the area of passing lanes, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres of the finish of any passing lane.


http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/...ide/index.html

[Maha]

Now this bit is interesting....

# When speed camera enforcement is taking place in the area of passing lanes, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres of the finish of any passing lane.

So its ok to do 120kph in the last 250 mters of a passing lane, lets face it, how often do you have to crank it up over the speed limit on a passing lane?

[tigertim20]

Why not? Exceeding the posted speed limit and exceeding the coonditions of your license are two seperate offences, no?

True that they'll often organise a back-up charge though.

As for getting off... The speed was posted huh? Did you go check?

two offences, maybe, but one act. if i was arrested for punching someone in the face once, I wouldnt be given two jail sentences for the one act.

[tigertim20]

No. In relation to the speeding, it's two laws but only one offence. Being fined (and demerited) for both is effectively a double jeopardy, or being punished twice for the same single action.

Riding without L-plate though is a separate action, and can (and should) be fined and demerited separately.

What puzzles me though, I though a breach of learner licence fine was $400...?

they reduced the value of the fine, and increased demerits, as younger drivers seem to be the ones getting caught for such offences so often. Made sense to the higher ups the attak the licence rather than the wallet

[MarkH]

Yeah that's my bad there, had my Learners for a year and a half now

I don't get it - what's the point of being on the learners for a single day longer than you have to? Unless you like the stupid restrictions of course. Back when I was a teenager I got my license as quick as possible (passed the theory at 15yrs & 3 days, passed the practical on the earliest available day that I could book it - I was 15 years and 1 month old) and I would have move up to a full license as quickly as I could if there was a graduated license back then.

I gotta wonder what was up with the coppa though - if you were riding along going with the flow of traffic why did he bother to pull you over? Did he find out that a biker has been sleeping with his missus or something? (I try to be careful - park around the corner and be gone before he gets home)

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't get it - what's the point of being on the learners for a single day longer than you have to? Unless you like the stupid restrictions of course. Back when I was a teenager I got my license as quick as possible (passed the theory at 15yrs & 3 days, passed the practical on the earliest available day that I could book it - I was 15 years and 1 month old) and I would have move up to a full license as quickly as I could if there was a graduated license back then.

I was on learners for 6yrs... Why? Because learners didn't stop me from doing anything & Restricted is a total waste of money & serves no purpose other than to bring the Govt more $$$, eventually I got it as you need it to get full but it still remains a waste of time & money.

[MarkH]

I was on learners for 6yrs... Why? Because learners didn't stop me from doing anything

You spent 6 years without needing to exceed 70kph?

[Scuba_Steve]

You spent 6 years without needing to exceed 70kph?

You would be assuming I obeyed that limit in the first place, I said it never stopped me from doing anything I never said the things I did were "legal"...

[MarkH]

You would be assuming I obeyed that limit in the first place, I said it never stopped me from doing anything I never said the things I did were "legal"...

Oh, well - as long as you haven't posted on KB about being done for breeching a license condition and how unfair it was of the cop to ping you for it and you have been riding for 6 years without upgrading your license.

But if you are just going to do what you want and ignore the law then why do you even need the learners? Why not just ride without a license?

[Banditbandit]

Taken from police.govt.nz

# When enforcement is taking place in an area where drivers are making the transition from a higher speed to a lower speed area, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres from the point where the speed limit changes unless there are good reasons to do so, such as protecting people operating at road works or to ensure the safety of children. (This does not apply within school zones.)
# When speed camera enforcement is taking place in the area of passing lanes, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres of the finish of any passing lane.


http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/...ide/index.html

That's interesting .. but the police operations manual doesn't over ride the law ... and I've seen heaps of officers do both of those things ... and so wil many people here have seen it ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Oh, well - as long as you haven't posted on KB about being done for breeching a license condition and how unfair it was of the cop to ping you for it and you have been riding for 6 years without upgrading your license.

But if you are just going to do what you want and ignore the law then why do you even need the learners? Why not just ride without a license?

Well I had full plans to just get my full soon as possible, but then I learnt how much of a rip the restricted was & having a learners never disadvantaged me ever, so it just kinda got dragged out till I finally gave up & got it just so I could move to full.