Just in case you didn't think you were a second class citizen...

[Mom]

I guess what I was trying to say is, I would damn sure want to know for what purpose that photo was i.e. "Because we can" does not satisfy the query if they are keeping extra files on motorcyclists, so I was wondering what provisions there are for us to access that information?

What an interesting question. Unless I am holding a number up under my face, and have a heap of black indian ink on my fingers, I dont expect that the police will EVER take my picture. In fact it might be fair to say I would take exception if they tried, I dont believe that there is a law that allows pictures of me to be taken by police randomly at a roadside stop and just for the hell of it.

The Privacy Commissioner may well be a starter for the answer to if they can gather our photographs just because we ride motorcycles, the Police Commissioner sounds like an excellent first port of call for a letter, along with the Minister of Police.

[JudaBaker]

To me it seems quite similar to the new boy-racer cruising laws. A bunch of clowns roar around the streets like idiots and everyone fitting the description (Bike/Ricebucket) in the area has to put up with the shit it causes.. And to a lot of people motorcyclists are probably no higher up the the totem pole than boy-racers, regardless of how they actually ride.

[duckonin]

Yes I have to admit I agree with Katman here. Certain motorcyclists have done us all NO favours by the way they've ridden (and crashed) on the Coro loop.

The reason they don't pull over more cars and talk to them is that there just aren't as many cars coming to grief on that road.[QUOTE



And then they'll start fucking my shit up. And I'll be really pissed.[/QUOTE]

Wrong 'cars' have their fair share on the coro road...

[bogan]

The police are obviously as aware of the vast numbers of motorcyclists who treat the Coro loop as their personal racetrack as the rest of us are.

If anyone wants to bleat that their liberties are being compromised perhaps they should direct their indignation towards the motorcyclists who have brought us to this point.

Surely it's not hard to figure out which motorcyclists treat it as a racetrack, and which just ride safely and enjoy it though? Must be plenty of corners up there where the racers ride dangerously for cops to stake out.

[Mom]

And to a lot of people motorcyclists are probably no higher up the the totem pole than boy-racers, no matter how you ride.

Sad eh?

That is why we need a strong presence that shows very, very clearly that we do not approve of some behaviours on the road by a minority bikers, but still support and defend the right to ride without discrimination, either financially (with increased ACC levies), or physically.

[Gremlin]

mebe they just want to discourage motorcyclists from going there... less going there, presumably less crashes, then they can claim how the campaign was a total success?

If it makes for a quieter coro, then cool, its usually 50-50 I do it in the day or night anyway

[scumdog]

The sky is falling..the sky is falling....

[NONONO]

Yes I have to admit I agree with Katman here. Certain motorcyclists have done us all NO favours by the way they've ridden (and crashed) on the Coro loop. I don't blame the Police for trying to make a difference. Thinking on a psychological level I can understand how the break in the ride gives the average rider the opportunity to stop, listen and reassess their own riding and I would suggest that the majority of people, if they actually thought about what the Police were trying to do instead of trying to be all bolshey about 'rights' and not considering the motives.

Why are the Police doing it? Do you REALLY think they're just trying to fuck you shit up? Grow up. They're playing the numbers. The reason they don't pull over more cars and talk to them is that there just aren't as many cars coming to grief on that road. I guarantee if you got cars trying to canyon race on the Coro loop they'd do exactly the same to them.

Seriously guys. Apply some grey matter to this. And shut up about rights. Some of you have no idea how good you have it here and are determined to push until the big clampdown comes.

And then they'll start fucking my shit up. And I'll be really pissed.

Jeez, and that from a BRONZ Executive Member!!!!!

[Paul in NZ]

Look - I'm not too worried either way because when its all said and done I'm a sad old prick anyway and I'm not likely to ride up there to kill myself with so many local options available eh?

Frankly I'm amazed that people are surprised by this and calling it discrimination... I suspect the motorists and residents also wonder if they are discriminated against cos they have to obey the laws and apparently motorcyclists dont. Well that is apart from the laws of gravity and physics that is.

Like it or not Police have been charged with reducing the road toll and in certain areas we as 'bikers' collectively seem to loose all sense of reason.. If there are too many deaths expect an official response... The fact its called the Coro GP speaks volumes...

I liken it to the meetings I used to go to regarding diabetic services etc and getting lectured by a 23 stone Tongan woman about how everyone has a right to treatment. I mean FFS she chews up 30 times the amount of $$ I do because she wont stop fuggin eating which means less for me? Yet she claims discrimination? Piss of - I'm being discriminated against because of you you fat bitch (apparently not a proper response from a white middle class man - I've not been invited back) Point is - like following my dark fat friend through the buffet section, if we as a group are taking more from the trough than is our fair share by annoying the locals and taking up valuable burial spots we must expect more of this and eventually it wont just be a friendly reminder.. Its annoying but take it as a warning...

[red mermaid]

But if the Police didn't have so many staff doing traffic duties they would be able to stop it.

The sky is falling..the sky is falling....

[bogan]

Look - I'm not too worried either way because when its all said and done I'm a sad old prick anyway and I'm not likely to ride up there to kill myself with so many local options available eh?

Frankly I'm amazed that people are surprised by this and calling it discrimination... I suspect the motorists and residents also wonder if they are discriminated against cos they have to obey the laws and apparently motorcyclists dont. Well that is apart from the laws of gravity and physics that is.

Like it or not Police have been charged with reducing the road toll and in certain areas we as 'bikers' collectively seem to loose all sense of reason.. If there are too many deaths expect an official response... The fact its called the Coro GP speaks volumes...

I liken it to the meetings I used to go to regarding diabetic services etc and getting lectured by a 23 stone Tongan woman about how everyone has a right to treatment. I mean FFS she chews up 30 times the amount of $$ I do because she wont stop fuggin eating which means less for me? Yet she claims discrimination? Piss of - I'm being discriminated against because of you you fat bitch (apparently not a proper response from a white middle class man - I've not been invited back) Point is - like following my dark fat friend through the buffet section, if we as a group are taking more from the trough than is our fair share by annoying the locals and taking up valuable burial spots we must expect more of this and eventually it wont just be a friendly reminder.. Its annoying but take it as a warning...

Your fat tongan friend issue isn't actually about discrimination, her actions directly affected her treatment costs. Discrimination is judging based on class instead of actions, like safe bikers being pulled over for the actions of other bikers, how bout the authorities penalize the dangerous actions, not the 'dangerous' hobby.

[Paul in NZ]

Your fat tongan friend issue isn't actually about discrimination, her actions directly affected her treatment costs. Discrimination is judging based on class instead of actions, like safe bikers being pulled over for the actions of other bikers, how bout the authorities penalize the dangerous actions, not the 'dangerous' hobby.

True (ish) and fair enough point but I was just trying to make a point... Besides, i still get pulled over but usually just to laugh at me or to look at whatever antique I'm riding that day ;-)

[Berries]

don't forget tho because of yet another retarded decision from parliament in later years beaches are also treated as roads, another reason 10-14yo's could be mentioned (despite it still technically being illegal for them to ride there too)

I don't know the Coromandel. It has beaches ?

You're right though. Beaches are treated the same as petrol station forecourts and supermarket car parks, ie anywhere the public has vehicle access. Depending on who does the analysis some may exclude all those ‘off road’ crashes, some might not. They tend to bias towards the low speed, non injury two vehicle incidents anyway. There are relatively few on beaches in comparison but they are a lot different, single vehicle rolling type of thing, with the associated increase in injuries.

Anyway, if we all started going down to the New World car park at midnight to do burn outs, wheelies and a bit of drag racing, get injured and be a general public nuisance I expect that the Police may start pulling all the bikes that go down to the New World car park at midnight. Guilty by association. I don't see the Coro Loop being much different from what I have read on here. If you want to ride it legally there is nothing to worry about, apart from the hassle of being pulled over and being lectured. If you can't handle that, and can't understand why the Police are concerned about riders on that road just as much as MAGNZ are then why not try a different road ? As an added bonus there will probably be less cops patrolling it.

Someone mentioned boy racers. I bet they had a very similar thread to this on their own forum, if they can use computers that is. Although I personally find them laughable and a bunch of cocks I am sure many non riders look at us and think the same. We're no different to boy racers when it comes to this, much as we'd like to think we are superior than all other road users. Apologies to Bogan, but you can see what I mean when you change a couple of words in what you just said -

Discrimination is judging based on class instead of actions, like safe 'car enthusiasts' being pulled over for the actions of other boy racers, how bout the authorities penalize the dangerous actions, not the 'dangerous' hobby.

We all cheered when the whole lot of them got done the other month in Chch.

[JudaBaker]

Your fat tongan friend issue isn't actually about discrimination, her actions directly affected her treatment costs. Discrimination is judging based on class instead of actions, like safe bikers being pulled over for the actions of other bikers, how bout the authorities penalize the dangerous actions, not the 'dangerous' hobby.

To do this you would actually have to catch someone in the act, which can be hard to do. It's easier to pull over road users who statistically already fit the bill and work from there. You will get a lot more tickets if you do it this way. (try pulling old ladies and learner plates all day, most will be legal)

[NONONO]

Katman..
Really trying to follow your logic here, so if you can bear it, just explain (once again if you have the time) what it is you are saying?
That it's all our own fault?
OK just say I accept that we, as bikers, are an inherently dangerous bunch..what would you have us do? Slow down more? Ride in a defensive manner more, never exceed the speed limit, wear day glo outfits? I mean what is it you advocate?
"Stop falling off" is not useful, it assumes that we have some other choice when confronted by an accident. Accidents, by definition are not foreseen..yes we can train ourselves to a high degree of alertness...but accident...by definition.
Can I ask in all sincerity (for which I'm not known, but just this once) do you not agree that there are other factors involved? Factors outside of our control which contribute to the accident rate?
Poor roads, poor roading policies, poor awareness of other road users, cup holders, CD players, cell phones (think that's all good now?) the list is endless.
Yes, keep ourselves alive by all and every means, but there are other issues that need addressing..
Anyway, see you in Taupo...