Dangerous speed infringement?

[awayatc]

i will go to court and tell judge that the only reason you were clocked 181 was because you were braking ...........

Going like a rocket even......

Lucky you don't need a licence for work.....

speaking of which....

Good luck mate....

[Scouse]

any one had one , just curious what to expect this friday in court . 181 kph . guilty as sin and plead as such .

Public castration dont forget to pack a case and take your tooth brush just incase.

[Urano]

we have pretty different legal systems, so i cannot tell you so much.

if common law has something to do with common sense i'd try to be "honest" and accept the charge of speeding rejecting the one for "dangerous driving".
then you can argue that you've never drink and drive, you've never speeded up into cities (you didn't, right?), you've always been careful and aware about children areas and other people safety, that you always wear proper gear exactly because you keep in great consideration safety for your own and for the others, and bla bla bla...
pointing the difference between "speed" and "danger".

i think that if you appear responsible, despite your need for speed, you can anyway draw the image of a guy lookin for fun only and not a public enemy jeopardizing the whole country...

[2wheeldrifter]

Public castration dont forget to pack a case and take your tooth brush just incase.

And a male ass/chastity belt, just incase


or live a little dangerously

[marty]

If you keep pleading not guilty you might get the charge dropped. By the time you're due for the third court appearance, a lot of the time the cop who caught you can't be bothered going to court to give evidence so then they have no case. It has worked for several people I know.

So you plead not guilty, and you go to court to defend it , then plead not guilty again? Or even better, you fail to appear, then after being arrested on warrant on a saturday night and sitting in the cells til monday morning, go to court and plead not guilty again? Wow - you should have been a lawyer!

I suggest you get some aerial photos of the area you were picked up in (Google Earth shots are acceptable) - point out side roads entering, discuss amount of traffic, when the cop is giving evidence he will have to give that evidence anyway. I don't think you're going to get away with the speed unless you have a really good technicalilty to hang your hat on, but you should be able to get it reduced to either Careless or just exceeding 100km/h.

I would seriously consider writing to the prosecution office 'without prejudice' and suggesting a guilty plea to a reduced charge may be an option.

Dangerous Speed - 6 months, a fine, and highly unlikely you won't get a work licence. Worst case then - you ride in the 6 months, get your bike impounded, get arrested, charged with riding/driving when disqualified, possibly spend some time in the grey bar hotel...

[malfunconz]

i will go to court and tell judge that the only reason you were clocked 181 was because you were braking ...........

Going like a rocket even......

Lucky you don't need a licence for work.....

speaking of which....

Good luck mate....

..........yeh but how do i get to the gym ......
good that i got the frosty kiwi in , you take it easy and i will most likely reappear next tuesday ..... cant wait ..

[onearmedbandit]

What no one here has mentioned is, a lot depends on the judge you get. For example, the last time I got done for a similar speed (171km/h) was about 4yrs ago. I had previous convictions for similar offenses (however luckily enough it had been 5yrs since my last dangerous) and the duty solicitor suggested they could confiscate my bike, worst case scenario.

In court the police tried to chuck the book at me, however the judge continually shut the prosecutor down by asking him about the road conditions at the time (straight open road with no intersections), weather conditions (perfect visibility), and other traffic (none except for the van I had passed 5 minutes earlier). The judge then asked what the minimum sentence was (6mths loss of license and $500 fine) and handed that down to, over the objections of the police.

I was lucky, I got a good judge. Best hope your judge doesn't know anyone personally who was killed by a speeder.

[SMOKEU]

So you plead not guilty, and you go to court to defend it , then plead not guilty again?

Exactly - a mate of mine assaulted a cop, not just a silly slap, but repeated punches lasting for several minutes and he got charged with assault on police. On his first court appearance over the matter, he pleaded not guilty and got given bail and another court date. The second court appearance turned out the same way. On the third court appearance, the cop was meant to show up to court to give evidence. The cop failed to do so, and the case was dropped.

I know several other people who have used that tactic to get their charges dropped entirely, or given the option of pleading guilty to a much lesser charge.

Often the cop just can't be bothered showing up to court to give evidence against the accused, and in that case they don't really have a case against you unless you plead guilty. If you're looking at a minimum 6 month licence disqualification then you might as well plead not guilty every step of the way.

[onearmedbandit]

Exactly - a mate of mine assaulted a cop, not just a silly slap, but repeated punches lasting for several minutes and he got charged with assault on police. On his first court appearance over the matter, he pleaded not guilty and got given bail and another court date. The second court appearance turned out the same way. On the third court appearance, the cop was meant to show up to court to give evidence. The cop failed to do so, and the case was dropped.
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Sounds like there is more to this story than we know.

[SMOKEU]

Sounds like there is more to this story than we know.

It's a pretty clear cut case, he assaulted the cop, and he got let off without penalty.

The more court appearances one has to go through for the same offence, the higher the chance 'they' will make a mistake leading to a technicality. A mate of mine got charged with sustained loss of traction, and the summary of facts stated that he did a skid for about 20m. With his second court appearance, the cop changed his story and said the skid lasted for 25-30m. It's minor things like that which can have a big impact on the case.

[Banditbandit]

If you plead not guilty and fight it every step ... and lose ... you're likely to get the maximum sentence - at the least you'll get 12 months disqualificiation and a big fine ...

If you plead guilty, look penitant and say sorry a good judge might give you 6 months disqualification and a smaller fine ..

The risk of fighting is high ... you might win big - as SmokeU says - you could also lose big ...

[Banditbandit]

It's a pretty clear cut case, he assaulted the cop, and he got let off without penalty.

The more court appearances one has to go through for the same offence, the higher the chance 'they' will make a mistake leading to a technicality. A mate of mine got charged with sustained loss of traction, and the summary of facts stated that he did a skid for about 20m. With his second court appearance, the cop changed his story and said the skid lasted for 25-30m. It's minor things like that which can have a big impact on the case.

So ... You're one of the Chch skinheads AND boy racers ... Kid, you're going to be really popular in this forum ...

[SMOKEU]

So ... You're one of the Chch skinheads AND boy racers ... Kid, you're going to be really popular in this forum ...

I'm not a boy racer anymore.

[MSTRS:Me]

... i did get a little one 119kph 3 weeks ago too .... ..

This will probably not even be mentioned. It hasn't been 'processed' through the system yet.
If, for some reason, it does come up, then there are two ways it could be looked at:
1. You are trying to mend your 'dangerous ways' by cutting back on the speed
2. You are still speeding despite being caught

Either way, you're not getting off with a warning on the 181 jobbie

[insane1]

I'm not a boy racer anymore.

no smokeu you still act like a fuckwit and lose the swastika makes you look like a retard.