I, for one, do not welcome our new overlords

[Grumph]

If it had been Auckland you would have been shooting the marauding packs coming from Mangere wouldn't you ? Or am I wrong ?

[SPman]

JK has shown fantastic Leadership during this recent and past situations.

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[rainman]

I don't understand how it is undemocratic to repair Christchurch as soon as possible.
Wait a minute, now I understand. Its because it is Christchurch and not Auckland. :slap:

Nothing to do with the problem. Everything to do with the (typical lazy tory) solution. If you think this is the best way to deal with Chch's issues you are dumb, deranged, or completely one-eyed.

There is an expiry date, which may be earlier than that stated.

Tinfoil hat on.. I understand that clause can be revoked, but will check when I get a chance to read the legislation.

But the Greens and the Labour party voted for it...

I've already slapped the Greens about this (as have many of their supporters. This miscalculation will cost them dearly. Unfortunate but true.

Just because I generally vote Green does not mean my always-rightness rubs off on them, more's the pity.

+1. "Leadership"doesn't mean showing up for photo ops. or does it mean making Gerry Fucking Brownlee the dictator of all things. In fact, I'd suggest that is the antithesis of leadership...

And, all those people who went on about Democracy being Under Attack before are complete and utter... hypocrites.

[porky]

Put me out of my misery and explain what the problem is.



Read the Act and............ oh fuck never mind, time to go find a more interesting thread.

[Jantar]

.....Tinfoil hat on.. I understand that clause can be revoked, but will check when I get a chance to read the legislation.....

So you posted the link to the legislation, commented on it, and didn't even read it?

[rainman]

So you posted the link to the legislation, commented on it, and didn't even read it?

No, I read it. But that was yesterday, rather late as it happens, and since then I have had a happy day of wage slavery (or dependent contractorship, or something), so I no longer recall the specifics of whether the clause setting the date can be varied or is excluded. Much though I loathe to admit it, I am merely human. In short, my brain is full. Perhaps I could have been more explicit about reading it again.

Knowing full well that, had I posted a definite statement regarding same (rather than the qualified version that I did) I would instantly be pounced on by a bunch of hypocritical hypocrites about being wrong - as a smokescreen agin my primary point (being the flagrant hypocrisy which I may have mentioned) - I thought it wise to check first. Which I will do, right after I write some plans and reports, in order that my dependent contractorship is not unduly foreshortened.

Did I mention the real issue here is the hypocrisy of those who see no problem with National bending our very democracy over and rooting it silly, yet marched and complained when Labour fiddled with some election funding laws?

Or perhaps we are all distracted by that nasty hypocritical Mr Garrett instead? (I suppose he had to serve some purpose).

[puddytat]

I fucking hate Jerry Brownlee,he's always in the background with a smug smile on his fat face....

him someone please.

[rainman]

Put me out of my misery and explain what the problem is.

Gerry Fucking Brownlee has just been given power to change almost any law on the books.

Not only that, but most changes made can not be challenged in a court of law*.

Not to say he will, of course. But if you think it's a good idea to give ANY politician nearly unbridled power, you have rocks in your head. Risking Godwin's Law for a minute, Google "Enabling Act of 1933"...

Where are the local neolibs on this? You guys should be screaming about excessive state powers, not to mention libertee.

* IANAL, and there are some fine legal arguments out there about whether this really means that all OICs can't be challenged. But no-one can be held liable for something done under, or retrospectively authorised by, and OIC. And Gerry stays dictator until after the election...

[Jantar]

I know, the correct way to do this would have been to introduce the bill to Parliament; send it to a select comittee for submissions; bring it back to house for discussion; then pass it 12 months later.

Rebuilding Christchurch would then begin in late 2012. Personally I prefer the idea of le'ts get the job done and give out the brickbats or bouquets later.

[rainman]

I know, the correct way to do this would have been to introduce the bill to Parliament; send it to a select comittee for submissions; bring it back to house for discussion; then pass it 12 months later.

Rebuilding Christchurch would then begin in late 2012. Personally I prefer the idea of le'ts get the job done and give out the brickbats or bouquets later.

Are you really too stupid to find a workable alternative that doesn't completely roger our democracy, or are you being partisan and dishonest?

[Jantar]

So which of these regulations and or legislations refer to our right to democracy?

Section 6

4) An Order in Council made under subsection (1) may grant an exemption from, or modify, or extend any provision of any enactment, including (but not limited to)—

(a) the Building Act 2004:

(b) the Cadastral Survey Act 2002:

(c) the Commerce Act 1986:

(d) the Earthquake Commission Act 1993:

(e) the Health Act 1956:

(f) the Health and Disability Services (Safety) Act 2001:

(g) the Historic Places Act 1993:

(h) the Land Transport Act 1998:

(i) the Land Transport Management Act 2003:

(j) the Local Government Act 1974:

(k) the Local Government Act 2002:

(l) the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987:

(m) the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002:

(n) the Public Works Act 1981:

(o) the Rating Valuations Act 1998:

(p) the Reserves Act 1977:

(q) the Resource Management Act 1991:

(r) the Road User Charges Act 1977:

(s) the Social Security Act 1964:

(t) the Soil Conservation and Rivers Control Act 1941:

(u) the Transport Act 1962:

(v) the Waste Minimisation Act 2008

[rainman]

So which of these regulations and or legislations refer to our right to democracy?

So, it's stupid, then. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Woodman]

Don't see a problem here. Just fix the place up as quickly as possible. Good practical thing to do.

Even the Greens who have objections still voted for it because it is lthe logical thing to do. If rebuilding canterbury was left to the usual over complianced rules it would never get rebuilt.

[Jantar]

So, it's stupid, then. Thanks for clearing that up.

That comment doesn't answer the question. Which of those regulations and/or legislations have any bearing on our right to vote, our right to stand for parliament or our right to a an election? ie Democracy.

[Banditbandit]

I know, the correct way to do this would have been to introduce the bill to Parliament; send it to a select comittee for submissions; bring it back to house for discussion; then pass it 12 months later.

Rebuilding Christchurch would then begin in late 2012. Personally I prefer the idea of le'ts get the job done and give out the brickbats or bouquets later.

Rebuilding Chch is about getting out there and doing it .. since when did that require an Act of Parliament that gives authority to overturn any law on the books to Jerry Brownlee ? How does words on a piece of paper get ChCh rebuilt? Maybe to circumvent SOME - such as the resource consent act, but not all ...

It could be argued that large groups of people congregating in public buildings is unsafe and therefore should be declared unlawfull ... so large groups of people will need to congregate in public buildings to vote in next year 's(2011) general election and therefore the election must be postponed ... the nats stay in Goverment until the bill lapses or is revoked - and if ChCh is not completely rebuilt they could extent the act ... and extend the act ...

Will the Nats do that ? It's possible under this law ... Who trusts them ? In 1984 a Nat Prime Minuster (Piggy) deliberately screwed our country's economy because he lost an election. He refused to hand over power to the Labour winners and nearly fatally sabotaged the economy ...

Conspiracy theories or not - it's too much power in the hands of a fat power hungry dickhead ...