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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    For EBA 3rd and subsequent, DWD 3rd and subsequent.... because it is their third time, or more on like charges.....

    What others are you referring to then?
    I think the issue I was trying to point out originally is that the defendants past convictions are generally not allowed to be heard before sentencing. but the question asked by op was about the cops history.
    he was presented as an expert trained witness but that was not allowed to refuted by the defendant. that is a crock of shit which if he had a decent lawyer I suspect he may have had a different outcome
    BTW I am no lawyer but have been on a few juries plus watched court many times so I may be wrong. Happy to have a real lawyer point out where I am incorrect
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyz View Post
    actually.. no!

    the ticket that lost me my licence I was alleged to be doing 111km/hr on Sh1. I was carrying a GPS at the time and recorded the previous 20 mins from being pulled over showing my speed never exceeded 106km/hr

    I got a nice generic letter back saying .. Its not uncommon for offenders recollections to differ from the officiers.. give us your licence.
    well... that sucks if it pans out like that. I've been merrily carrying it, using it etc, and recommending others use it, as its realistically the only independent party to the claim... Did you send the data in as well? I'd certainly be looking at it as solid proof....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Graham View Post
    Oh well today was the day;
    $170 fine & $130 court costs.
    Could be worse mate, had similar happen in the UK and ended up with equivalent of about $1800 to pay.

    It pains me to say it, but most cops aren't arseholes; it's just the one or two lying sacks of shit that tend to stick in your memory.

    Magistrates/JP's on the other hand. Most magistrates/JP's are fuckin busybodies on an ego trip who in no way accurately represent a normal cross section of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    well... that sucks if it pans out like that. I've been merrily carrying it, using it etc, and recommending others use it, as its realistically the only independent party to the claim... Did you send the data in as well? I'd certainly be looking at it as solid proof....
    yes. full data sheet on a printout from the GPS unit with an invitation to the source files... and its still not good enough to nudge the word of a cop who can pick out one speeding biker in a group of 10 cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Graham View Post
    Oh well today was the day;

    $170 fine & $130 court costs.
    And people wonder why so many don't stop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    One can have the speed show up as 80, clear tone etc etc and the driver hit the picks because the detector went off/he saw the cop car whatever, and lock the speed as he was braking by now... locked at 74 (as an example....). Can still ticket for 80, or for 74. One has a choice.

    No "lie" needed. Personally, locked is easier.
    But that doesn't work in the case of a bike among cars because you can't lock the FASTEST, only the STRONGEST.
    If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Graham View Post
    After time to cool down and a letter of complaint sent about the attitude of this officer I thought I’d put it out to the masses.

    It goes like this; Rush hour traffic last week;

    I filter through stationary traffic to the front of the traffic lights by Pak & Save on Lincoln Road, Henderson. I see a cop car approaching 6-800meters away. Lights go green we all head of from the lights (I’m in the right hand lane), into second, into third, his lights come on (about 80-90 meters away),
    Starts to execute a ‘U’ turn, wheels on full lock and crossing the hatched area separating lanes,
    Thank fuck he decides he couldn’t do it and stops, we ride/drive by (me shaking my head) my fukin heart was in my mouth!!
    He pulls into the traffic and follows (lights now off) through several lights, past the hospital (over a kilometre and several mins later) he sticks his lights on and a blip on his siren and points for me to pull over.
    I filter into the left lane. No where obvious to stop (its rush hour!! Solid traffic etc) so pull onto the grass verge.
    He pulls across a business address’s entrance and sits in his car? Another car is attempting to access the business so I get his attention and indicate he is blocking their drive. He pulls his car onto their garden!!! Address occupiers staring at him through their window.
    And continues to sit in his car dark wrap round shades, watch to big for his wrist Asian dude.
    When he does get out I of course ask what’s up. You were doing 80kmh. What!!!
    I was stationary when I saw you and doing no more than 30-40k when you stuck your lights on and tried your ‘U’ turn!! Can I see your radar please; he glances back into his car and changes the speed he claimed I was doing to speed on the radar 74k.
    That’s wrong no way was going as fast as that indicates, how do I know that was me and at this time it was recorded I ask.
    Him still with his Rambo shades on (not sunny but overcast by the way) stares at me and says it was you because I said it was.
    I said I was one of many vehicles all just leaving a set of traffic lights and none of us were doing anything like that speed. He said I was out on my own?? I said I will contest the ticket and feel he was picking on the motorcyclist.
    All this time he had an arrogant, self important attitude about him and he was really starting to piss me off. I asked how long he was going to be. He was writing in his note book….no answer.
    I am on my way home from work to collect my car to pick up my children from pre-school and had been on the side of the road for about 5 mins by now.
    I asked again why he picked the motorcyclist out of all (there were lots) of the other vehicles, “I chose you”. But I thought I was out on my own, now you say you chose me (I knew a ticket was coming and it was total bullshit so I thought I would see what he had to say) he said nothing.
    I said I thought he had a stink attitude and was arrogant and rude and that I would contesting the ticket, he said write your letter!!
    Time was ticking away now so I said again how long is this going to take? No answer and gets in his car and shuts the door. I sit there for what felt like ages, he is just sat there writing in his notebook?
    I knock on the window, ignored, I knock again, ignored. I open the door and ask again why is he ignoring me, how long he was going to be and why was he not answering any questions? Again, no answer just another stare through his shades. I called him fucking ignorant and said I’m off; my priorities are to pick up my children and not sit here being ignored by an arrogant copper. Put my helmet and gloves on jump on my bike and about to start it when he’s out of his car and shouting I’ll arrest you if you ride off!! What for I ask? Failing to stop!!
    I’ve been stopped for the last 10 minuets what are you talking about, listed all his changes of events, his attitude and speeds etc I said he could post my license and ticket to me and that in two minuets I was going (to pick up the kids) and he had a choice, arrest me or write the ticket and give it to me now. I got the ticket.

    I was bloody fuming, what an absolute bullshit ticket from a cop with the worst attitude I’ve ever come across.

    Once I got home and sorted the children I sat down and wrote my best recollection of events and the next day (once calmed down) wrote a letter of complaint to both Henderson Police and Police NZ in Wellington and included the ticket.

    I am fast loosing respect for traffic cops. I can’t believe he dreamt all this up because I shook my head at an attempted and aborted ‘U’ turn. This guy must have other complaints about him if this is how he treats people.

    On reflection; I was not speeding. I could have sat there and took it up the arse. But I would have received the same ticket I got for challenging him. It was clear from the off that he was going to be a bastard by the way he presented himself (folded arms, wide stance), his attitude, the insistence of wearing and staring at me through dark shades, his treatment of other peoples property…you just know when someone is going to be a twat and he was that someone.

    I will update the thread as I learn more.
    And now we know why Nz Police are currently being Shot/Stab and BEATEN with there own radio's.......

    Crazy Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Preload View Post
    And people wonder why so many don't stop.

    But that doesn't work in the case of a bike among cars because you can't lock the FASTEST, only the STRONGEST.
    They don't have to have a lock to write a ticket, they can guess (sorry make an educated guess) as to who the fastest is

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeOut View Post
    They don't have to have a lock to write a ticket, they can guess (sorry make an educated guess) as to who the fastest is
    I'm aware of that. They can also not even turn it on and still write you an infringement offence notice. But I was simply commenting on the locking aspect and the situation in which it can't be done.
    If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!

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    Well Kiwi Graham, i'm sorry that it did not go the way it clearly should have.
    You did your best and now all of us out here know it's pointless trying to get justice from our judicial system.
    It also highlights an unwillingness on the part of the ranked Police who should have investigated your claims more thoroughly and overturned/nullified their officers infringement notice(something that they can do) before it got to the court room.In my humble opinion that arsehole of a Hitler youth leader should not have the privilage of wearing the uniform.
    Sorry it didn't work out mate. Because it damnd well should have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Steve View Post
    And now we know why Nz Police are currently being Shot/Stab and BEATEN with there own radio's.......

    Crazy Steve.
    You take that back - I've never been Shot/Stabbed with ANY radio - let alone been beaten with one...

    (BTW: it should be 'their' radio...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    You take that back - I've never been Shot/Stabbed with ANY radio - let alone been beaten with one...

    (BTW: it should be 'their' radio...)
    Your right Scumdog it should be their

    But I won't take it back...I heard of a case in Ngaruawahia recently where the officer was beaten with his own radio...Very sad that Police officers can't handle thems selfs with basic self defence anymore..And it dosn't give me ANY reasurance that they can Protect me and my Family....So they can't protect me and they are giving us shit....

    I say if they (The Nz Police) get in your way push them over and keep going ! !

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    Time and time again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Steve View Post
    Time and time again...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYZWQuEb5sM

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    Graham,

    I feel for ya bro...had exactly the same experience here in Qld twice!

    It shits me to tears that ppl choosde to bend over and pay unjust fines because after all in the long run....it's just easier/cheaper/less stressful.

    Would they be so blase accused of Peadophelia? Er..whats the fine...may as well pay it...save a day off work etc...

    Good for you having a go, and especially for sharing your experience..it my prod the next guy into action, and eventually when this rogue copper appears in court for the thjousanth time...the system may have to acknowledge that it is fucked.

    I no longer adhere to the normal conventions re Police...There may be a good un here n there..but I can't afford to give the benefit of the doubt.

    They are just another road hazard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighter View Post
    Again, "safer Communities Together"..........pfft.

    What a c**t. Cop cars should have the cameras in them that the Yank cruisers do, so it will be there for all to see when you write in your complaint. It's your word verses his unfortunately.
    I was visiting some family of mine in the States, I was riding my cousin's bike at a reasonable speed. The same thing happened to me. A cop pulling out from a fuel station pulls me over before I could even get up to speed. He says I was doing twice the speed limit when I never even came close to the speed limit. I asked to see his radar and camera, no luck. Since I am not registered to the bike, or have an yank license I am getting a large ticket and I had to wait for hours. I have to go back home and cannot stay until the court date to fight it. I called the cops there and they don't have cameras in their cars (or at least not all of them). I never paid the thing, they can come over here and get me if they want the money. Cameras would be a great idea, I may write a letter right now to Wellington.

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