Just in case you didn't think you were a second class citizen...

[nodrog:Me]

So how do you re-licence your vehicles each year as they require a current WoF to do this.

And if you don't re-licence them then the registration is cancelled after 2 years.

As this system is computer based and has been running for more than a few years I think your statement below about not getting WoF's is B/S.

I have been told you can just put your vehicle registration on exemption for 12 months, and just keep renewing it.

Fanny

[MSTRS:Me]

I have been told you can just put your vehicle registration on exemption for 12 months, and just keep renewing it.

Fanny

That is true. I wonder what questions will be asked of the odometer reading, if ever it was to 'go live' again...

[nodrog:Me]

That is true. I wonder what questions will be asked of the odometer reading, if ever it was to 'go live' again...

"I just used it for getting the mail, and hanging out the washing, etc"

Fanny

[Kornholio]

That is true. I wonder what questions will be asked of the odometer reading, if ever it was to 'go live' again...

answer:

Pukekohe
Hampton Downs
Taupo
Manfield
Teretonga ..........................

[Max Preload]

So how do you re-licence your vehicles each year as they require a current WoF to do this.

And if you don't re-licence them then the registration is cancelled after 2 years.

As this system is computer based and has been running for more than a few years I think your statement below about not getting WoF's is B/S.

Stop talking shit. They're on exemption from continuous licensing.

[Ocean1]

Motorcyclists are concerned over last year’s levy hikes but I am determined to find common ground in improving safety so as to reduce the road toll and the injury costs to ACC.

Damned right I’m concerned. Tends to happen when someone uses a monopolistic position to extort my hard earned. Fuckem, if I’m costing ACC so much they can un-insure me and pay me back the tens of thousands they’ve overcharged me over the years. Nobody asked me if I wanted an accident compensation scheme in the first place let alone a compulsory one.

I PERSONALLY want to see a lot more money spent on rider education and training programmes, awareness programmes, and changing public attitudes towards motorcycling in general.

And no doubt to PERSONALLY fund it?

‘Cause I sure as fuck don’t feel the need.

I'm happy to pay $25 to get the things I'm not sure of checked off by someone who does know what they are doing.

And you need someone to tell you to do it?
How much of your $25 pays for the time taken to check your bike after your mate pays the kickback to the authority issuing the WOF?

There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.

It doesn't make a jot of difference. The stat's across the Aussie states that require certification and those that don't are exactly similar.

Semantics John. I read it that you cannot apply to operate a vehicle on the road unless you can prove that it is safe to do so.

Don’t believe a WOF amounts to legal proof of any such thing.

They certainly don't amount to practical proof af any such thing.

Fair suck of the sav mate - people bitch about having to pay a raised ACC levy due to people that crash.

Me, I don’t give a fuck about how much other people crash. I bitch about it because of the fact that it costs me WAY more than it’s worth.

[Max Preload]

I know how you fee as another motorcyclist who maintains his own vehicles. But most kiwis can't be trusted in this way or can't be bothered so the WOF system covers most of us this way.

I'm not paying for someone to do something I can do for myself. As an ex-AVIC I do actually know what I'm doing and if I didn't, I wouldn't do it. I advocate individual responsibility. I know most NZers aren't big on that - they need to be told what to do. Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaa!

However, you can't licence a vehicle without a current WOF. So you're illegally riding on the road that I helped to pay for.

Yep. And I helped pay for too. And still do.

Fair suck of the sav mate - people bitch about having to pay a raised ACC levy due to people that crash. I could say the same thing about having to pay a Roading Tax which could be lessened if people like yourself didn't shirk their responsibilities.

But the increased ACC levy to the level it currently is isn't because of people that crash - the maths has proven that to be a complete falsehood.

Do you reckon my $24.50 annual contribution to roading as part of the annual motorcycle license fee ($43.50 for the car) will be missed? What percentage of the annual spend on roading actually comes from those license fees? Do you even know? I do.

Or would having to pay the tax LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS EXPECTED TO be an onerous infringement of your "right" to avoid your responsibility as a NZ citizen and road user.

It's called civil disobedience. And if more people did it the rest wouldn't be getting arse raped with the unfair increased ACC levies.

You have choices in life. You either bleat and roll over, bracing for insertion or you make a stand. I chose the latter. I don't give a fuck that it's 'illegal'. That doesn't make it wrong - just illegal. Big fucking deal.

[riffer]

Can't say I can argue with that. Let those that ride decide. However, you can't bitch about what's being done with rego money if you don't pay can you? And I totally support your decision to maintain your own vehicle - good on you.

BTW did your insurance cough up when you crashed your bike?

[puddytat]

You have choices in life. You either bleat and roll over, bracing for insertion or you make a stand. I chose the latter. I don't give a fuck that it's 'illegal'. That doesn't make it wrong - just illegal. Big fucking deal.

I like that....I like that alot

[scumdog]

You have choices in life. You either bleat and roll over, bracing for insertion or you make a stand. I chose the latter. I don't give a fuck that it's 'illegal'. That doesn't make it wrong - just illegal. Big fucking deal.

Good on ya Max - at least you're not bleating yer eyes out out like half the other KB whingers do!

[onearmedbandit]

And you need someone to tell you to do it?

Never said I did. But a lot of people do unfortunately.

How much of your $25 pays for the time taken to check your bike after your mate pays the kickback to the authority issuing the WOF?

And your point is?

[Katman]

How much of your $25 pays for the time taken to check your bike after your mate pays the kickback to the authority issuing the WOF?

Kickback? I'm intrigued to know what underhanded machinations you think the WOF process operates under. Here's how it works.

It cost me about $600 for my WOF site application and about $150 for my personal application. Two months after handing over $750 to get my certification I was subject to my first WOF audit. The privilege of having an inspector come out to assess my progress cost me a further $650. Thankfully I scored highly enough that my periodic audits only happen every two years (at a further cost of $650 each time). WOF labels and checksheets are purchased at my cost. After that though, whatever I charge for a WOF inspection comes entirely back to my business.

It takes a long time to recoup the intial (and ongoing) costs of being an Issuing Authority and considering the time taken to carry out the inspection, the long and the short of it is that, for a workshop such as mine there is not a great deal of money to be made in WOFs. I see it as little more than an extra service that I can offer my customers.

[Katman]

Oh, and if you're wanting to talk about unfair, if NZTA's inspector spends a whole day inspecting 10 individuals at one Issuing Authority, that business is still only charged $650.

As I'm the only person at my business authorised to issue WOFs it takes the inspector less than an hour at my workshop.

[Scuba_Steve]

Kickback? I'm intrigued to know what underhanded machinations you think the WOF process operates under. Here's how it works.

It cost me about $600 for my WOF site application and about $150 for my personal application. Two months after handing over $750 to get my certification I was subject to my first WOF audit. The privilege of having an inspector come out and spend an hour assessing my progress cost me a further $650. Thankfully I scored highly enough that my periodic audits only happen every two years (at a further cost of $650 each time). WOF labels and checksheets are purchased at my cost. After that though, whatever I charge for a WOF inspection comes entirely back to my business.

It takes a long time to recoup the intial (and ongoing) costs of being an Issuing Authority and considering the time taken to carry out the inspection, the long and the short of it is that, for a workshop such as mine there is not a great deal of money to be made in WOFs. I see it as little more than an extra service that I can offer my customers.

Well again that just seems to show everyone would be better off without WOF's... They are inaccurate, inconsistent, expensive (for both sides it seems), offer NO protection & provide people with a false sense of security (Potentially making WOF's more of a danger).

[Katman]

Well again that just seems to show everyone would be better off without WOF's... They are inaccurate, inconsistent, expensive (for both sides it seems), offer NO protection & provide people with a false sense of security (Potentially making WOF's more of a danger).

Only if they're not done correctly.