Revolting teachers!

[Swoop]

I'd love to see a teacher work at a real high pressure role such as an A&E surgeon or as a stock broker for a month. Doubt they would survive.

The opposite also applies. Horses for courses though, eh?

Radiographers went on strike recently for a payrise. Wonder how they will get on?

[Bald Eagle]

If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that old chesnut I'd be rich.

[avgas]

If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that old chesnut I'd be rich.

Or poor - depending on your investments

[avgas]

To pull back on thread topic.

What events have caused teachers to lose respect?

- In government eyes
- In public eyes
- In student eyes

I was hoping to retire teaching. So I am curious if this could be something that is turned around.

[p.dath]

FFS The Govt managed to find nearly 2 Billion to bail out a fricken private company yet can't manage a payrise for teachers and health workers?

All the banks that signed up to the depositers guarantee scheme paid into that fund.

The $2b is more like a loan. They are now selling the assets, and will get a lot of that money back.

Do you think the teachers union will give the pay rise back?

[p.dath]

To pull back on thread topic.

What events have caused teachers to lose respect?

- In government eyes
- In public eyes
- In student eyes

I was hoping to retire teaching. So I am curious if this could be something that is turned around.

I can't speak for students. The "Government" represents the voting public.

I can only speak personally.
A lot of the public are experiencing pain. A lot more people are unemployed, on reduced working hours, or have lost and accepted a lower paying job. Then there is another large group hoping not to be made redundant. Then there is another large group trying to recover from a earthquake, whose lives may take much longer to return to normal.

Now imagine how Joe public feels when they hear a large group of people wanting a pay rise - failing to negotiate with their employer who everyone already knows has less money to spend (aka - a reasonable employer) - and then goes ahead and strikes anyway.
Just consider how this large group of people feel. It's like giving the finger to them.

When times are down you have to accept that you need to wait for things like this. I'd be far more impressed if the teachers union came and said "hey things are tough, and we have figured out how to say "$x" from the education budget".
This makes those people paying the bills (aka, the tax payers of NZ) value your input greatly.

Then when things are better you ask for a pay rise it will be held in better regard.

[nodrog:Me]

I thought Teachers had to be smart people? Surely they knew how much their prospective salarys were going to be before they decided to train for their profession?

Fanny.

[marie_speeds]

All the banks that signed up to the depositers guarantee scheme paid into that fund.

The $2b is more like a loan. They are now selling the assets, and will get a lot of that money back.

Do you think the teachers union will give the pay rise back?

I didn't agree to the Govt loaning out my tax dollars to a bunch of greedy geriatrics who's idea of making a quick buck backfired on them badly. Selling assets is not going to recoup all of the Govt money. And that money could well have been better spent in education, healthcare, roading and infrastructure. I have no prob with teachers getting a payrise. These are the very people I trust to educate my children. Happy enthusiastic teachers means happy enthusiastic children.The amount that NZ spends per capita on education continues to drop. The end result is obvious..... Pay peanuts, get monkeys!

[avgas]

Happy enthusiastic teachers means happy enthusiastic children.

Actually money does not do this. (blah blah blah - No I am not talking hippie shit)
There is most likely a deeper need here that needs to be addressed. Do they want more money as they are seeing joe-blo on the other side of the fence, same degree, making more money?
Why did they go into teaching? Is this being attacked.
Are the kids to shit these days? Does the curriculum suck?

These things need to be addressed well before money will make any teachers enthusiastic.

[oldrider]

The end result is obvious..... Pay peanuts, get monkeys!

The problem really is that the monkey's get paid the same as the best teachers because the current system sets them up as the bench mark for the collective!

The most valuable teachers are being held back to level of competence of the "monkeys" and sharing their peanuts as a consequence!

Collectives at best produce "mediocrity"!

Our best teachers "are" extremely valuable and definitely deserve to be well rewarded but their behaviour is like that of a drunk defending his bottle and wondering why he remains a drunk!

They just keep on defending a system that can only fail them and expect things to change!

That behaviour alone (to me) kind of whittles their perceived value down a bit!

[Robert Taylor]

I didn't agree to the Govt loaning out my tax dollars to a bunch of greedy geriatrics who's idea of making a quick buck backfired on them badly. Selling assets is not going to recoup all of the Govt money. And that money could well have been better spent in education, healthcare, roading and infrastructure. I have no prob with teachers getting a payrise. These are the very people I trust to educate my children. Happy enthusiastic teachers means happy enthusiastic children.The amount that NZ spends per capita on education continues to drop. The end result is obvious..... Pay peanuts, get monkeys!

The Government was likely damned if they did and damned if they didnt! Its also likely that had there not been a bailout the effect on the wider community may have been far worse. I have no time for large scale money speculation but the Govt had to do what they had to do.

[Robert Taylor]

I can't speak for students. The "Government" represents the voting public.

I can only speak personally.
A lot of the public are experiencing pain. A lot more people are unemployed, on reduced working hours, or have lost and accepted a lower paying job. Then there is another large group hoping not to be made redundant. Then there is another large group trying to recover from a earthquake, whose lives may take much longer to return to normal.

Now imagine how Joe public feels when they hear a large group of people wanting a pay rise - failing to negotiate with their employer who everyone already knows has less money to spend (aka - a reasonable employer) - and then goes ahead and strikes anyway.
Just consider how this large group of people feel. It's like giving the finger to them.

When times are down you have to accept that you need to wait for things like this. I'd be far more impressed if the teachers union came and said "hey things are tough, and we have figured out how to say "$x" from the education budget".
This makes those people paying the bills (aka, the tax payers of NZ) value your input greatly.

Then when things are better you ask for a pay rise it will be held in better regard.

I think that sums up peoples reactions to this nonsense perfectly

[Banditbandit]

I think that sums up peoples reactions to this nonsense perfectly

Well, clearly it doesn't - as there seems to be just as much support for teachers in this forum as people against their stand ...

[avgas]

Well, clearly it doesn't - as there seems to be just as much support for teachers in this forum as people against their stand ...

Ah yes, Teachers Union in full force.
Remember loose lips sink ships.

In other news....

[nodrog:Me]

Well, clearly it doesn't - as there seems to be just as much support for teachers in this forum as people against their stand ...

I dont know how anybody could support a whole workforce basically holding their employer to ransom by not doing their job.

Mr John Doe and his cobbers that work at KFC would have had their Backsides booted out the door years ago.

Its education, not bloody monopoly.

Fanny