New laws to improve your motoring

[davereid]

im not a fan of this speeding carry on however. if it could be proven that doing 111km/hr ....

It will be 3 km/hr same as VIC Roads

[davereid]

And it would be a piece of piss to avoid any points on your license for a ticket while it was in for a service

It would be like a parking ticket.

The NZTA man has a picture of the back of a man on a motorcycle, riding away from a speed camera.

Its your motorcycle. Its your problem.

Producing a receipt to show you were buying a pie, getting petrol, having you bike serviced will be irrelevant if you can not prove who was riding the bike.


Why not try it !
Go get a mate to park your bike in a no parking area.
Write to the council telling them it was your mate.
When he denies it, wait to see who they chase.

Get back to us.

[PirateJafa]

It would be like a parking ticket.

The NZTA man has a picture of the back of a man on a motorcycle, riding away from a speed camera.

Its your motorcycle. Its your problem.

Producing a receipt to show you were buying a pie, getting petrol, having you bike serviced will be irrelevant if you can not prove who was riding the bike.


Why not try it !
Go get a mate to park your bike in a no parking area.
Write to the council telling them it was your mate.
When he denies it, wait to see who they chase.

Get back to us.

Are you mentally feeble, or just acting like it?

Advise them of the name of your mechanic, send them a copy of the invoice showing that indeed it was in their care at the time, and explain the situation.

Pretty soon your mechanic will be riding very legally on all customers bikes, in order to keep his license in order to be able to continue to legally issue WOFs.

Edit: Actually, just ignore the [purely rhetorical] question, you've more than sufficiently answered it already. It's truly a wonder of the modern age that they've even brought computers into wards like yours.

EditEdit: Yes, it is a little more time-consuming than not getting a ticket at all. But that's your fault for using a dumb-fuck untrustworthy mechanic.

[Scuba_Steve]

I agree in that I'm not convinced that "speeding kills" either. If you really agree with that then set the speed limit at zero - and I bet you would find the vast majority of vehicles accidents happened with vehicles exceeding that speed limit.

And that is also the issue with "proof". The authorities can offer you proof that "speeding kills" - in the same way I can offer proof that exceeding a speed limit of zero kills. It's not the limit that is doing the killing.

well if you look at the "facts" "speeding" saves lives only 24% of fatalities (08-09) were "speeding" meaning 76% happened within speed limit Thus the "facts" show that by "speeding" your more likely to save your life... Statistics aint they great???

[davereid]

Are you mentally feeble,...It's truly a wonder of the modern age that they've even brought computers into wards like yours...that's your fault for using a dumb-fuck untrustworthy mechanic...

Is your period late sweetie ?

[Banditbandit]

If it's your vehicle, and you don't mind loosing your licence because of other people you have allowed to use the car then it's not an issue. If that is an issue for you then you'll work something out. If you can't be bothered enough to do that then perhaps owning a vehicle to use on NZ's shared public road network is not for you.

But it's a personal choice, so you choose to do whatever you like. No one is going to make you loose your licence in this case unless you *choose* to do nothing about it.

Come on, vehicle owners have to be responsible for their own vehicle. You can't throw up your hands and say it is everyone else's fault.

I have no personal interest in that piece of the legislation - I have no kids, so them taking a vehicle is not an issue ... My wife and I own a 4X4 - she drives it mostly and I could pinpoint the days I do drive it ... because I only use it when I NEED four wheels ... and no-one else drives it ...

I have two bikes ... my wife doesn't ride them and NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE ...

So I know where my vehicles are and who drives them .. and on what days ... So your personalizing of this particular issue is way off the mark ...

[MarkH]

Improve the safety of returning bikers
Automatic removal of licence classes if you don't have a vehicle in the class for more than a designated period ? Thus making retuning riders "learners" again ?

Is this just for bikers? What about my car license, I don't currently own a car - does that mean I am not allowed to drive other peoples cars? What about my truck license (Class 2 & 4) - I have never owned a truck, but I have driven a few.

So if I owned several bikes and let someone else ride one of them they couldn't legally hold a m/cycle license because they didn't own their own bike and their license would just automatically be removed?
If someone didn't own a bike but was an experienced biker and hired a bike every year for a biking holiday then they would soon have their bike license automatically removed?

I'm predicting that this measure wont eventuate due to it not being illegal to ride other peoples bikes and not actually own one yourself. Just like when I first got my car license and was driving mum's car.

[Max Preload]

Pretty hard to give demerit points to a company vehicle using a speed camera, since as it's not owned by any natural person there's no licence to apply them to.

[p.dath]

Pretty hard to give demerit points to a company vehicle using a speed camera, since as it's not owned by any natural person there's no licence to apply them to.

I would think a suitably large fine that gets wiped if the driver's details get handed over would solve that issue.

[Max Preload]

I would think a suitably large fine that gets wiped if the driver's details get handed over would solve that issue.

No.

You must really love tyranny though. Perhaps North Korea is more your style.

[p.dath]

No.

You must really love tyranny though. Perhaps North Korea is more your style.

Only when I'm the leader.

[Banditbandit]

Only when I'm the leader.

Remind me never to vote for you ..

[myvice]

Hmmm… Chaos breads opportunity.

[QUOTE=davereid]
-Investigate the use of point-to-point speed cameras
- Develop a GPS-based speed management system across the network, and develop trials and initial applications for ISA and other emerging Intelligent Transport System. [QUOTE=davereid]

Sweet!
Any bets where I’ll be putting a chain of roadside coffee kiosks?

[QUOTE=davereid]
Fitted to your vehicle to allow either control of your speed automatically, or periodic downloading so your fines and demerits can be applied? [QUOTE=davereid]

[QUOTE=p.dath]No - fitted to the road side to measure your average speed between two different points on a road. [QUOTE=p.dath]

Really, so why GPS then? The roads don’t move and they are looking at a point to point with the cameras.
GPS would need to be attached to your bike, repeat offenders?

[QUOTE=p.dath]
Only when I'm the leader. [QUOTE=p.dath]

Bit of a cunt really aren’t you…

[kinger]

Bit of a cunt really aren’t you…

I was thinking arse, or prick.
Generally, we can agree it's a crutch area thing.

[BoristheBiter]

I'll put my hand up. I want more demerits and less fines. The punishment of a fine varies with your income. Those on a low income are more affected than those on a high income.

Demerits affect everyone the same.

No it doesn't.
Someone who gets the bus every day drives in the weekend (100km per week).
someone on call drives company car to work (500km per week).
long haul truck driver (3500 per week).

doley (okm per week).

Lose of licence will effect who, the drivers that drive all the time or the ones that drive somtimes or never.

Demerits do not effect everyone the same.