A 600 - or a step too far?

[Will the ninja]

(and smoke any riced up boy racer)

When you know your bike can beat almost all the cages on the roads, whats the point? Get any bike that makes you happy and enjoy it. Either way your sitting your full to get a bigger bike.

You've heard it in Spiderman, "With more power comes more responsibility". I think a change in attitude towards speed/bikes/motorists would benefit a lot of youth today.

[SMOKEU]

I think a change in attitude towards speed/bikes/motorists would benefit a lot of youth today.

Ever since cars and motorbikes were first invented, young people wanted to go fast on them. That adrenaline rush is not just some passing fad that will become a distant memory.

[Smifffy]

Ever since cars and motorbikes were first invented, young people wanted to go fast on them. That adrenaline rush is not just some passing fad that will become a distant memory.

... and unfortunately, neither will the carnage nor the increased levies for the rest of us.

I don't care how swish a fancy european 125 2 stroker is, anyone in their teens going from that to an R6 with the express intention of racing riced up boy racers with a pillion on the back is asking for an ambulance ride.

[Will the ninja]

Ever since cars and motorbikes were first invented, young people wanted to go fast on them. That adrenaline rush is not just some passing fad that will become a distant memory.

'Attitude' was probably the wrong word. I think 'behaviour' fits better. I love speed too, but I believe being responsible is something a lot of youth lack. Go to a track if you want to race and push your bike. The guy already admitted to speeding in the past. I don't see how a bigger bike will encourage him to slow down.

And if its the Aprilia I see going down Victoria St most days, it's not the first time I've seen him speed to get through the yellow light.

[SMOKEU]

I don't care how swish a fancy european 125 2 stroker is, anyone in their teens going from that to an R6 with the express intention of racing riced up boy racers with a pillion on the back is asking for an ambulance ride.

I know plenty of people who have managed to phuck themselves up by doing stupid stuff on 250cc bikes because they didn't exercise self restraint. I'm sure that anyone with a few thousand kms of riding experience can safely ride even a litre bike IF they ride it sensibly and don't try to ride it hard until they have the experience to control it.

[Smifffy]

I know plenty of people who have managed to phuck themselves up by doing stupid stuff on 250cc bikes because they didn't exercise self restraint. I'm sure that anyone with a few thousand kms of riding experience can safely ride even a litre bike IF they ride it sensibly and don't try to ride it hard until they have the experience to control it.

Yes, and as you said in the post that I had quoted, young people will go looking for that adrenaline rush through speed.

With all of the experience in the world, how would one "ride an R6 hard" on the road/street, without breaking the law?

Which of your definitions of riding sensibly includes trying to waste boy racers in their ricers?

[SMOKEU]

Which of your definitions of riding sensibly includes trying to waste boy racers in their ricers?

Even my CBR250 is quicker than most turbo Legacys and Skylines, as long as they're not running lots of boost. You wouldn't have to try all that hard to beat most petrol turbo cars on a decent 600, so it's not really that dangerous.

[javawocky]

Google returned this result while searching for "new zealand penalty for racing"....

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/ro...erdetails.html

Just one interesting quote...

You must not operate a motor vehicle in a race or in an unnecessary exhibition of speed or acceleration on a road (unless authorised by law).

[avgas]

have fun on small bikes before your told to grow up and get a big bike.
that's my excuse.
600cc isn't a step 2 far.....but I found that tripling horsepower is.
e.g. 20hp -> 100hp........your fucked
I would recommend 400 IL4 or something like a 4-600 twin/single.....will get you up to same speeds, but just with a bit more omph! They are all roughly around the 50hp mark.......so what is twice that figure????
Guess what the next bike after that should be????

[ducatilover]

But wouldn't racing a boy racer make you a boy racer?

[SMOKEU]

But wouldn't racing a boy racer make you a boy racer?

Maybe more of a 'man racer'.

[ducatilover]

Maybe more of a 'man racer'.

I see. I'll stick to the whole "let's go around corners and slay white women" thing for now.

[Dare]

With all of the experience in the world, how would one "ride an R6 hard" on the road/street, without breaking the law?

I think that depends on your definition of 'riding hard'
Personally I find this far more impressive than watching this same bike break 300kmh


I think as long as you aren't going to be retarded (get it started) about it a 600 could be fine. The problems start when you get bored with a bike that can do so much more, whether you take it to a track or crash it into an oncoming car when you find out the bike is much better than you is purely your decision, however.

There is alot to be said for riding a bad handling bike before a good one, having a chassis that flexes teaches you what to look for and where the limits are when riding a super sharp bike with 0.1% flex before throwing you off. Same can be said for brakes, tyres,etc etc etc.

Personally I want a motard and an endless supply of rear tyres but maybe that's just me..

[scracha]

I had a zxr250 and went to a zx6r 3 months after getting my restricted. I was iimpressed at first but then very quickly found the limits of the bike in all ways - suspension, braking, tyres, power

Damn you must be a riding god. I've been riding 17 years and haven't came anywhere near the limits of my 600.

[Gremlin]

I think the biggest issue with jumping too far is that your brain simply cannot think fast enough in the early stages of having the big bike. You might like to think you can, but really, you can't. Couple that with a lack of skills to manage the bike (riding a 250 fast doesn't count), and it can be a dangerous mix.