Hampton Downs: is there an issue?

**cowboyz** · 8th November 2010, 08:19

Originally Posted by Devil

I'm surprised the moderators haven't stepped in here. There is an awful lot of speculation going on, along with assumptions and conclusions drawn without the facts. Any other part of KB you'd be shot down.

Let the coroner do his job, he has all the information but you are well within your right to contact him should you have facts regarding the incident that may assist with his investigation.

Mort has posted the details above.

I think the 'facts' are more and more unbelieveable as NZ gets more and more PC and the media do what the media do.

**DEATH_INC.** · 8th November 2010, 14:47

Originally Posted by Biggles08

You say by removing the 'hump' you will encourage the lesser experienced to go even faster in that section. Is this a bad thing? If by removing the hump you reduce the risk of losing control of your vehicle (bikes are not the only ones that suffer from this feature) at high speed then surely this is a good step in the right direction. After all, the whole point of a race track is to go fast regardless if you are in a race or participating in a track day. Speed is not the issue here, it is the hump AND the concrete wall. As you say, they are less likely to move the wall so lets start with reducing the contributing factors like the hump.

Yes, but.....the 'hump' is a feature, where as the wall is a supposed safety device.

**DEATH_INC.** · 8th November 2010, 14:52

Originally Posted by Biggles08

You say by removing the 'hump' you will encourage the lesser experienced to go even faster in that section. Is this a bad thing? If by removing the hump you reduce the risk of losing control of your vehicle (bikes are not the only ones that suffer from this feature) at high speed then surely this is a good step in the right direction. After all, the whole point of a race track is to go fast regardless if you are in a race or participating in a track day. Speed is not the issue here, it is the hump AND the concrete wall. As you say, they are less likely to move the wall so lets start with reducing the contributing factors like the hump.

Yes, but.....the 'hump' is a feature, where as the wall is a supposed safety device.

**MSTRS:Me** · 8th November 2010, 17:08

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

Yes, but.....the 'hump' is a feature, where as the wall is a supposed safety device.

Bit like the open roads - where poor seal/maintenance is a feature, and cheesecutters are a safety device...

**Quasievil** · 8th November 2010, 18:14

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

Yes, but.....the 'hump' is a feature, where as the wall is a supposed safety device.

The Hump is a Hazard and will be the failing of any significant events ever coming there.
The Wall is not a safety device, unless the competitors safety is completely disregarded, as it seems to be with this particular wall, safe for the spectators not for the competitors maybe.

As I have said before and will say again, this is NOT the IOM or MANX GP, this is a purpose built race circuit, issues with walls and humps are not acceptable, and frankly to me shows the amateur style of the track designer and possibly others in its design.
I dont mind standing up at this point and saying I told you so, first time I saw this track I said this was going to be an issue and it is (albeit very sadly) I think from memory I was told I was wrong, clearly not.

**carver** · 8th November 2010, 18:44

I wana go racing!

**Quasievil** · 8th November 2010, 19:02

Originally Posted by carver

I wana go racing!

Fuck take your time about it why dont you, you will prolly be fairly good I reckon, as long as you learn some race craft and get a decent bike.

**Luckylegs** · 8th November 2010, 19:17

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

Yes, but.....the 'hump' is a feature, where as the wall is a supposed safety device.

Safety device for riders or the public/spectators ?

**Biggles08** · 8th November 2010, 19:21

Originally Posted by Quasievil

...you will prolly be fairly good I reckon, as long as you learn some race craft and get a decent bike.

I reckon you would be pretty good if you were fast Quasi!

Carver...come on over to the dark side....don't forget your bike and race craft! Wheelies are neither clever nor smart.

**javawocky** · 8th November 2010, 20:05

Originally Posted by carver

I wana go racing!

Mormon Few Racing Crew?

**DEATH_INC.** · 8th November 2010, 20:56

Originally Posted by Quasievil

The Hump is a Hazard and will be the failing of any significant events ever coming there.

Have they run the V8's there yet? I wonder how they cope with it

I do know what you are saying....

Originally Posted by Quasievil

The Wall is not a safety device, unless the competitors safety is completely disregarded, as it seems to be with this particular wall, safe for the spectators not for the competitors maybe.

That's pretty much it...if you didn't have to keep the bikes/cars out of the crowds they wouldn't have 'em

Originally Posted by Quasievil

I dont mind standing up at this point and saying I told you so, first time I saw this track I said this was going to be an issue and it is (albeit very sadly) I think from memory I was told I was wrong, clearly not.

I said exactly the same thing, and from memory was also met with the same response....

Originally Posted by Luckylegs

Safety device for riders or the public/spectators ?

As above, but it is still a safety device, and a necessary one. But....

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Bit like the open roads - where poor seal/maintenance is a feature, and cheesecutters are a safety device...

You got it in one, a safety device can be designed to look after everyone, or just some. I really don't think they designed the hump to be there, I think you'll find it is just the result of the usual poor construction standards we have here.
And this is really my point, the hump is most likely a mistake, the wall was put there on purpose, as part of the design.

**Kickaha** · 8th November 2010, 21:10

Originally Posted by Quasievil

I dont mind standing up at this point and saying I told you so, first time I saw this track I said this was going to be an issue and it is (albeit very sadly) I think from memory I was told I was wrong, clearly not.

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

I said exactly the same thing, and from memory was also met with the same response....

Who did either of you contact regarding your concerns about this?

**Quasievil** · 8th November 2010, 21:25

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Who did either of you contact regarding your concerns about this?

It was a discussion based on personal opinion, who are you supposed to discuss your opinions with?
KB of course.

**DEATH_INC.** · 8th November 2010, 21:27

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Who did either of you contact regarding your concerns about this?

Admittedly, no-one in particular

....just told anyone that would listen. I wouldn't even know where to start contacting the person responsible for that area. I really haven't had much to do with the place. Do you really think it would have made a difference?