Police crackdown

[BoristheBiter]

Does that mean you won't have your own theme music?

No but i have been told to use this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44L-FrNfdNw

[ducatilover]

No but i have been told to use this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44L-FrNfdNw

Use it! I'm sure there's a dude standing in the crowd with his arse hanging out. Must be a fellow Honda rider

[BoristheBiter]

Use it! I'm sure there's a dude standing in the crowd with his arse hanging out. Must be a fellow Honda rider

Can't have been, i didn't see anyone waving.

[Max Preload]

yes, exaggerating as in 'you're 20x more likely to be injured on a bike', while the actual figure is around 3.5x. I'd say thats a bit of an exaggeration wouldn't you?

Aren't they actually saying you're 16x to 20x (depending on who is repeating it) "more likely to be in a crash"? Not injured?

[MSTRS:Me]

Aren't they actually saying you're 16x to 20x (depending on who is repeating it) "more likely to be in a crash"? Not injured?

They started out with 16x more likely to be injured. 'We' disputed that, and lately the line has been 20x more likely to be in a crash.

Based on the assumption of same distance travelled, MOT crash stats say 16x more likely to be injured.. We travel on average a quarter of the distance covered by the average car, so the reality is that we are up to 4x more likely to be injured.

I have no idea whether we are more/less/same likely to crash in the first place.

[mashman]

sorry but thats just plain daft.
it is a fact that if i hit a car(or one hits me) while on the bike the driver of said car will be better off than me.

Well untill i stand back up

If you hit each other and stop there and then, then maybe. BUT, if the car/driver has tried an evasive manouevre and the crash has still happened, the car could easily plough through a wall, or hit a lamppost, or mow a pedestrain down, or have a heart attack, or, or or or... That's what I mean by not a fact, it just isn't a foregone conclusion that the outcome of motorcycle v car incident, is gonna be yaw ass and not theirs... However "likely" and logical that would seem. Do you generate stats for ACC or somefink

I can imagine the driver may well have a heart attack at that point

[BoristheBiter]

If you hit each other and stop there and then, then maybe. BUT, if the car/driver has tried an evasive manouevre and the crash has still happened, the car could easily plough through a wall, or hit a lamppost, or mow a pedestrain down, or have a heart attack, or, or or or... That's what I mean by not a fact, it just isn't a foregone conclusion that the outcome of motorcycle v car incident, is gonna be yaw ass and not theirs... However "likely" and logical that would seem. Do you generate stats for ACC or somefink

I can imagine the driver may well have a heart attack at that point

you've been watching me ride my dirt bike again.

[Max Preload]

They started out with 16x more likely to be injured. 'We' disputed that, and lately the line has been 20x more likely to be in a crash.

Based on the assumption of same distance travelled, that figure becomes 16x. We travel on average a quarter of the distance covered by the average car. The reality is that we are up to 4x more likely to have a crash.

Ahhh that explains it. I haven't been keeping up with the latest and greatest propaganda. You can't trust anything reported in the media either.

[Scuba_Steve]

Ahhh that explains it. I haven't been keeping up with the latest and greatest propaganda. You can't trust anything reported in the media either.

what's this? the propaganda machine can't be trusted???

[mashman]

Aren't they actually saying you're 16x to 20x (depending on who is repeating it) "more likely to be in a crash"? Not injured?

I could be a smidge wrong, but I find that VERY hard to believe, irrespective of who's been fudging the figures.

Straight maths.: There have been 20,000 Motor Vehicle incidents (illustration purposes only).

Number of Cars: 3,000,000
Number of Motorcycles: 100,000

30 cars to 1 motorcycle. Likelihood of being involved in one of those incidents (we all share the same road), erm, erm, erm...

I'd say you're 30x more likely to be involved in an incident whilst being in a car.

[Max Preload]

I could be a smidge wrong, but I find that VERY hard to believe, irrespective of who's been fudging the figures.

Straight maths.: There have been 20,000 Motor Vehicle incidents (illustration purposes only).

Number of Cars: 3,000,000
Number of Motorcycles: 100,000

30 cars to 1 motorcycle. Likelihood of being involved in one of those incidents (we all share the same road), erm, erm, erm...

I'd say you're 30x more likely to be involved in an incident whilst being in a car.

Well, of course, without the specific details relating to the claim they've made you just know it's bullshit.

Bearing in mind there would be a much higher proportion of crashes involving motorcycles that would actually involve the attendance of some statistic recording government department - you don't usually get cops & ambos attending car vs car fender benders because the occcupants aren't anywhere near as likely to be injured. But given the exact same conditions but car vs bike there's almost certainly some injuries to record and therefore evidence of its occurence.

[MSTRS:Me]

I could be a smidge wrong, but I find that VERY hard to believe, irrespective of who's been fudging the figures.

Straight maths.: There have been 20,000 Motor Vehicle incidents (illustration purposes only).

Number of Cars: 3,000,000
Number of Motorcycles: 100,000

30 cars to 1 motorcycle. Likelihood of being involved in one of those incidents (we all share the same road), erm, erm, erm...

I'd say you're 30x more likely to be involved in an incident whilst being in a car.

That makes sense on the surface. But knowing bikes to be less forgiving in 'certain situations' I'd say the reality is we are more likely to crash than any individual car. I have no idea what that figure is, but I wouldn't believe anything ACC or The Prick says....

[mashman]

Well, of course, without the specific details relating to the claim you kinow it's bullshit. Bearing in mind there would be a much higher proportion of crashes involving motorcycles that would actually involve the attendance of some statistic recording government department - you don't usually get cops & ambos attending car vs car fender benders because the occcupants aren't anywhere near as likely to be injured. But given the exact same conditions but car vs bike there's almost certainly some injuries to record and therefore evidence of its occurence.

Fair points. Yes we run the risk of being injured more easily than car drivers. But that's about as far as it goes.

After that, the majority of road risk belongs to the cars, just by their sheer weight in numbers. I'm not talking a proportional representation of a user group. You can't if you're talking about cars and bikes in the same incident, it could quite easily have been 2 cars and just a fender bender. We're just road users, using different modes of transport.

I'd love to see the REAL fender bender stats. I bet they are mindboggling. What if a quarter of the car v car fender benders had been car v motorcycle (and all the cars faults, 30x remember ). There'd be nearly no motorcycles on the road, because it'd be too expensive for the majority to afford to ride anymore, and the ACC bill would be going through the ROOF. And the main culprit? CARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What does 30x more cars on the road do to our odds?

After all, cars and their passengers made up 78% of the reported road injuries for 2009. And motorcyclists are dangerous?????

[Max Preload]

I'd be happier just knowing the breakdown of the actual costs of motorcycle crashes attributable in part and full (individually) to those motorcyclists. I mean, that's the absolute minimum standard of information required to make the excessive ACC levy argument even begin stack up. But it just doesn't appear to exist.

[Gremlin]

I mean, that's the absolute minimum standard of information required to make the excessive ACC levy argument even begin stack up. But it just doesn't appear to exist.

Now don't let the lack of statistics get in the way of screwing a minority over huh?