Stabbed policeman left to die

[terbang]

I'm a regular Kiwi raised in the 20th century with the basic Christian values like most. However I have also been fortunate through my line of work to have lived in other societies. In particular the world of the Sunni Muslim. One of the first things that is very noticeable in these older societies is that things are much more based on respect for each other.

Yes there are the protagonists of "everything muslim is bad" who will never agree with me. But most of those have only been there in their armchairs. And this post is not in support of a religion, but rather an old world.

But one of the first things that we (expats in the old world) have to learn is to be respectful of them. Actions like pointing our fingers, raising our voices and using unpleasant language are considered deeply disrespectful. Its the way the society runs and once you learn to be respectful to others, you will get it in return and your world becomes safe and easy.

A lot of my dealings there, including my employment contracts, are done on a handshake only and have never been reneged upon.

The Hidri year is currently the year 1432 and our Gregorian date is 2010. It summs a few things up and whilst we have supposedly become a much more advanced and civilized society, we have also dropped a few important bits along the way. Respect for others that starts within the family, exudes into the society, into business and into the way people go about their lives. The concept of respect for others can sometimes be learnt fairly harshly, especially for those who openly show disrespect.

However it seems to be one of the things that we have watered down or forgotten along the way.

Hard to believe I guess, and I would never have thought so myself, but I learned more about the basic value of respect for others from a society that is generally considered as being primitive, medieval and barbaric.

Maybe in our advanced and enlightened society we need to revisit some of the basic values of co-habitating with each other. One in particular, respect for others...

[BoristheBiter]

Apply that to you for a routine traffic matter, on your own street, bent over the bonnet of a car, with everyone who knows you looking on, and wondering whats going on and what sort of person you really are for that to be happening. you might forgive them once but lets says your a dodgy looking fella and and your cuffed at gunpoint again becuase you disagree that your tyre dosnt have enough tread, you will loose respect for em, Those fuckheads taking to that copper are nothing more than scum probably bread from scum, he should of got some help before he pulled them over I think, regardless its a hearts and minds war out there for the police and their loosing it by their own actions on occasions as well as incidents like this.

No to them conducting investigations at gun point, its only going to go bad from there on in.

More than happy to if it means the friends i have that are cops come home safe every day.
That cop would have pulled them over as a routine traffic.

You are right to some point they should not be working one up at any time of the day or night.

[BoristheBiter]

I'm a regular Kiwi raised in the 20th century with the basic Christian values like most. However I have also been fortunate through my line of work to have lived in other societies. In particular the world of the Sunni Muslim. One of the first things that is very noticeable in these older societies is that things are much more based on respect for each other.

Yes there are the protagonists of "everything muslim is bad" who will never agree with me. But most of those have only been there in their armchairs.

But one of the first things that we (expats in the old world) have to learn is to be respectful of them. Actions like pointing our fingers, raising our voices and using unpleasant language are considered deeply disrespectful. Its the way the society runs and once you learn to be respectful to others, you will get it in return and your world becomes safe and easy.

A lot of my dealings there, including my employment contracts, are done on a handshake only and have never been reneged upon.

The Hidri year is currently the year 1432 and our Gregorian date is 2010. It summs a few things up and whilst we have supposedly become a much more advanced and civilized society, we have also dropped a few important bits along the way. Respect for others that starts within the family, exudes into the society, into business and into the way people go about their lives. The concept of respect for others can sometimes be learnt fairly harshly, especially for those who openly show disrespect.

However it seems to be one of the things that we have watered down or forgotten along the way.

Hard to believe I guess, and I would never have thought so myself, but I learned more about the basic value of respect for others from a society that is generally considered as being primitive, medieval and barbaric.

Maybe in our advanced and enlightened society we need to revisit some of the basic values of co-habitating with each other. One in particular, respect for others...

You also forgot respect for their elders and not just put them in a old folks home and forget about them.

[terbang]

You also forgot respect for their elders and not just put them in a old folks home and forget about them.

You are bang on there, the old fellas do know a bit and certainly deserve our respect. Yet right now, we have teenagers attacking an elder (relative to their ages) who wasn't unreasonably doing his job. Stopping a stolen car.

Then stealing a car doesn't show much respect for the owner doesn't it...

Nah fuck em, we don't need scumbags like them in our society.

[Dave Lobster]

You forgot about making sure that women are oppressed at every opportunity, including being stoned to death for 'adultery', as though they shouldn't be allowed to sleep with whoever they damn well choose to.
Old world/dark ages. There may way be a few things that the white man has left behind. There's considerably more that god fearing types have left behind.

[terbang]

You forgot about making sure that women are oppressed at every opportunity, including being stoned to death for 'adultery', as though they shouldn't be allowed to sleep with whoever they damn well choose to.
Old world/dark ages. There may way be a few things that the white man has left behind. There's considerably more that god fearing types have left behind.

So you say from the other side of the world. I know lots of muslim ladies and they are more than happy with the way things are there, in fact they are often the driving force from behind the scenes. The blokes often call it a pussy driven society. I speak their language and have boldly asked the tough questions about the opression and they just don't see themselves as opressed. One comment from a sharp young lady was "how can you call my Abaya and hajib opression when you have the commercialization of the female body in your society" "you sell cigarettes using the female form"


I often drive past a construction site in Riyadh that is to be a huge university for women, yes Saudi women.
Without looking like an armchair critic from the comfort of my NZ lounge, this just doesn't look the oppression of women at any opportunity.

[The Pastor]

A gun would not of helped this cop, he was attacked from behind. I'd challenge anyone to be able to draw a weapon, load and fire it with a machette in there freeking head.

Some people are damn retarded.

[Dave Lobster]

So you say from the other side of the world. I know lots of muslim ladies and they are more than happy with the way things are there, in fact they are often the driving force from behind the scenes. The blokes often call it a pussy driven society. I speak their language and have boldly asked the tough questions about the opression and they just don't see themselves as opressed. One comment from a sharp young lady was "how can you call my Abaya and hajib opression when you have the commercialization of the female body in your society" "you sell cigarettes using the female form"


I often drive past a construction site in Riyadh that is to be a huge university for women, yes Saudi women.
Without looking like an armchair critic from the comfort of my NZ lounge, this just doesn't look the oppression of women at any opportunity.

Stoning them to death for adultery isn't oppression then?

Keep taking them.. keep taking them..

[terbang]

Stoning them to death for adultery isn't oppression then?

Keep taking them.. keep taking them..

Narp not oppression its punishment. As is the punishment for homosexuality and many other things that we may see as normal. Thats their law, its not like ours but never the less it is the law. And we should respect that some people are different.

I'm not taking them, just easily putting up an argument to someone who clearly has relatively little subject knowledge and yet embarrassingly blathers to the world their ignorance. Keep it up الأحمق

[Maha]

What I find most shocking about this story and I am sure some (if not most of you) will agree is the fact that the poor bastard was posted to Taihape. From West Auckland no less!

[terbang]

What I find most shocking about this story and I am sure some (if not most of you) will agree is the fact that the poor bastard was posted to Taihape. From West Auckland no less!

Yup I reckon he's seen some dickheads in his time. Another shocker is the age of the attackers, 14 and 18. At least one of them should have been at home doing his homework. I reckon their parents should join them if they do time...

[jasonu]

Yeah your right....And one 14yr old and 18yr old pair of Maori boys fckd him up pretty good aye ! ! !

Good job that policeman getting delt to, I've had my fair amount of hidings in police custody and false charges.

Sounds like paybacks are a bitch !

Crazy Steve.

Homo!
I'll bet you wear sandles and socks too.


Quote Its about time we went the way of the states, pull everyone out and handcuff them then find out what the story is. Oh at gunpoint as well.

Yep that works nicely. Add in the threat of being tazered and most of the potential crims shut the fuck up and do as they are told.

[jasonu]

In Sweden and Denmark (light socialist countries) the crime rate is abysmally low!

When NZ policy emulated these socialist nations our crime rate was very low too!

Now its high because we emulate US policies!!!...

Which policies are you referring to?

[Edbear]

What I find most shocking about this story and I am sure some (if not most of you) will agree is the fact that the poor bastard was posted to Taihape. From West Auckland no less!

Taihape is a great place, Jill was born there...

One would expect it to be a nice semi-retirement posting, not one where you get killed!

[Maha]

Taihape is a great place, Jill was born there...

One would expect it to be a nice semi-retirement posting, not one where you get killed!

Yes and My parents spent ther wedding night at the Gretna...