ACC protest movement dead?

[MSTRS:Me]

Maybe we should replace rates with a poll tax - the same amount for each individual ?

Ooooh, ACC under Woodhouse.
Nah, it'd never work....

[swbarnett]

And paying for it, as the prices of everything in the shop reflect the cost of its transport to the shop, and thence to her.

Indeed she is. My point is more that it's fairest to all to fund public goods like this on a nation (or council) wide basis rather than trying to work out what each individual (or group) should contribute because we all benifit.

ACC is such a public good. I would rather it was funded from income tax than any form of tax aimed at specific groups.

[MSTRS:Me]

Indeed she is. My point is more that it's fairest to all to fund public goods like this on a nation (or council) wide basis rather than trying to work out what each individual (or group) should contribute because we all benifit.

ACC is such a public good. I would rather it was funded from income tax than any form of tax aimed at specific groups.

You do understand that this was Woodhouse and the original ACC?

[swbarnett]

You do understand that this was Woodhouse and the original ACC?

Indeed I do. The ideal outcome of course would be to go back to that.

[MSTRS:Me]

Well done, Dave

[MSTRS:Me]

I can only imagine the response...

Re your correspondent, D R Reid, and his typical, old people's whinging.
Get over yourself, you leach on society. The taxpayer already supports your no doubt extravagant lifestyle.
What makes him think that ACC is going to allow him, and his ilk, to bludge off us, as well?
If he can't afford the levies on his poxy old car, then he should get a bicycle.
That won't cost him a cent in levies (yet - we're working on that too), he'll get fit and live longer (to continue being a drain on the taxpayer).
ACC might pay towards his medical when a car bowls him, although we'll more than likely deny his claim.
Because chances are, his 'injuries' will be age-related wear and tear, and everyone knows we don't cover that.
Best regards
Peter Wood
Acting (up) Manager
ACC Insurance Corp

[Mom]

I can only imagine the response...

Please tell me you made this up? Or perhaps assure me you didn't

[Brian d marge]

A bit busy in Nelson today wasnt it ..

Stephen

[MSTRS:Me]

Please tell me you made this up? Or perhaps assure me you didn't

Of course I did. Any real response would not be quite so 'in your face'...although it would no doubt mean the same, if one was to read between the lines.

[Maha]

I' going to offend some people..constructively..

I think this ACC protest movement thingy with the bikers is dead.

Its not achieved much really...other than to teach politicians that Bikers are a push over.

there is an art to this protesting stuff...the media soon get bored...the public don't like to be inconvenienced...hmm

Probably a fair argument there Ryan to be honest.
I too would like to know how bikers view the whole acc debarcle that once was?
Is it a case of, meh, move on, nothing to see here...?
...or possibly, wow that ride to Wellington was great but um......

[Bikemad]

yep............the good ol apathetic kiwi eh.........
or is it just me

[Maha]

yep............the good ol apathetic kiwi eh.........
or is it just me

I did hear that term being used about bikers and the acc issue, apathy alive and well etc...

[Voltaire]

I don't think its apathy so much as the realisation that to do battle with the Pollys you need to play by their rules....committees....meetings.....more meetings....paperwork..... and that is how they win.
I see it at work...those who like the whole corporate thing and those who do it out of sufferance.
It takes a certain type to do that and I'm not into it, I'll just pay the ACC moan, winge and bleat on the interweb and go riding.
I do see the ACC charges changing the face of motorcycling....Fecked if I'd pay $600 a year to ride a 125 or 250....cheap transport my arse.

[caseye]

I don't think its apathy so much as the realisation that to do battle with the Pollys you need to play by their rules....committees....meetings.....more meetings....paperwork..... and that is how they win.
I see it at work...those who like the whole corporate thing and those who do it out of sufferance.
It takes a certain type to do that and I'm not into it, I'll just pay the ACC moan, winge and bleat on the interweb and go riding.
I do see the ACC charges changing the face of motorcycling....Fecked if I'd pay $600 a year to ride a 125 or 250....cheap transport my arse.

Say it like you mean it there Voltaire.Fuck Em! Those Pollies that is!
I rode to Welly with Voltaire alongside another mate of ours, we all did it because we'd had enough of Gov't intervention and thought that if enough of us went they might listen.
Well they listened, we didn't get the full whack this time!
The general public though they had access to the same information as the Pollies and the Bikers, did not take sides and preferred to let us wither on the vine, despite we bikers telling them quite catagorically that they would be next.
Now if things are to go anywhere at all, we motorcyclists need the actual /physical support of each and every biker out there to show the Pollies that we are still here and we still want a fair go and to be treated the same as all other road users.
This ideal is what sparked first the Auckland Action Group and subsequently MAG-NZ.
I've been asked why we simply did not take over an existing organisation and go from there,and told, that in some peoples eyes splitting the riders up yet again was counter productive.
I don't think so, but I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.
Voltaire unfortunately is representative of many bikers out there right now.
They will suffer and continue to pay and ride their bikes.
But I know for a fact that if they could poke the Pollies in the eye in some way that didn't make them public enemy number one , they would!
So if I may, I'll draw your attention to the Riders Are Voters campaign.

http://www.nzrav.org/

Becoming a RAV supporter costs nothing but time and input.
Check it out guys and girls, go sign in and see whats being said.
It'll cost you nothing.
It won't get you blacklisted from your club or organisation.
It might allow you to see another way of getting to the Pollies.
It will allow you to have a say.
It will encourage you to tell other riders about it.
Can't hurt and this way you don't have to just give in, pay up and ride regardless.


PS. RAV is not unique in it's attempt to unify bikers.
Perhaps what is unique is that it can simply be a place that all bikers regardless of which OTHER Organisation they belong to can come along to and say something that might start a landslide victory for a biker freindly political party or even better!@#$??? worse, a bikers Political party
Think about that.

[Voltaire]

Say it like you mean it there Voltaire.Fuck Em! Those Pollies that is!

I find it hard to get angry or even interested over Politics.
When you vote you are basically signing a blank cheque for these guys to Mother you along for three years

I was walking down the street last Saturday and Phil Geoff was outside the shop in his Geoff mobile ( he is the local MP).....I bought the Herald and walked on by......

That's apathy in action.