Too big, too powerful, too much affect on "our" unsuspecting lives?

[oldrider]

An extract from one of the sites I like to read and thought you (Well, some of you) might like to have a look too!

http://blog.imva.info/medicine/pharmaceutical-terrorism

New Zealanders are naively conditioned to accept everything medical and pharmaceutical as gospel and to believed without question!

There is always another point of view and when it costs you nothing, why not consider it and compare it to what you think you know!

It may even save you some unnecessary suffering!

It would appear that there are definitely some sneaky people in the world out there!

[ellipsis]

.....so many unheard or unheeded voices have been telling the world this stuff for so long...nobody wants to listen it seems....drug companies spread fear then thrive from it...the fearful populace are so easily swayed...and the truth-tellers disregarded and maligned....the bullshitters dont even have to try hard here...as soon as the bent media start quoting and reinforcing the lies its all too late...

....drugs, food additives etc that were banned in France, Russia and even the USA as far back as the early 80's were still being tested on the British, Kiwis, Aussies and third worldies with impunity all the way through ....

...education of the masses in the truths is nigh impossible when the money swished around to politicians, governments and those in the pharmaceutical and medical game by the drug companies ,to lie and cheat is so prevalent....

[terbang]

Recently when the 'Ambos' wheeled me into ED choking and spluttering on my own blood with all sorts of breaks and twists, I was very pleased that it was a doctor and not a naturopath who drilled the appropriate life saving holes into my side. Sister Morphine did her thing, but also trapped me with her addictive ways... A necessary evil at that time, but never the less, an evil.

However, during my recovery and subsequent rehabilitation I have used a combination of Physio therapy, Choropractic and naturopathy to good effect. By far the Naturopath and the Chiropractic have sped up and aided my rapid and (now) drug free recovery. I'll be medically cleared to fly commercially eight weeks after the accident. My short time to recovery has certainly impressed my aviation doctor who openly admits that he initially didn't expect me to fly again.

Horses for courses I guess.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

It may even save you some unnecessary suffering!

It would appear that there are definitely some sneaky people in the world out there!

Been watching your posts with interest... and you are nearly there... slowly putting the pieces together, soon you will go click and you will see the big picture...

Then you will go oh fuck shit... maybe I didn't want to see the big picture...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Been watching your posts with interest... and you are nearly there... slowly putting the pieces together, soon you will go click and you will see the big picture...

Then you will go oh fuck shit... maybe I didn't want to see the big picture...

Meh, some of us took the blue pill.

[SMOKEU]

Recently when the 'Ambos' wheeled me into ED choking and spluttering on my own blood with all sorts of breaks and twists, I was very pleased that it was a doctor and not a naturopath who drilled the appropriate life saving holes into my side. Sister Morphine did her thing, but also trapped me with her addictive ways... A necessary evil at that time, but never the less, an evil.

However, during my recovery and subsequent rehabilitation I have used a combination of Physio therapy, Choropractic and naturopathy to good effect. By far the Naturopath and the Chiropractic have sped up and aided my rapid and (now) drug free recovery. I'll be medically cleared to fly commercially eight weeks after the accident. My short time to recovery has certainly impressed my aviation doctor who openly admits that he initially didn't expect me to fly again.

Horses for courses I guess.

What did you do to phuck yourself up?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Meh, some of us took the blue pill.

I was colour blind... and welll thought it was blue... but oh no it was the red one...

[terbang]

What did you do to phuck yourself up?

A chance meeting with an asian lady in a 4WD while I was out riding...

[Ocean1]

An extract from one of the sites I like to read and thought you (Well, some of you) might like to have a look too!

More than a hint of hysteria there John. But no doubt a nugget of truth in it.

It would appear that there are definitely some sneaky people in the world out there!

There’s a bunch of idiots too. Of all the many plagues to have killed billions of humans over the centuries just two are now extinct at our hands, due to inoculation. If we were better organised and somewhat less prone to superstitious bullshit and tyrannical elements that number would be in the hundreds. The number of deaths and misery that could have been successfully eliminated by now beggars belief.

[Grasshopperus]

Everyone knows that vaccines are actually mind-control serums.

But seriously, it's no surprise, for example; look at the way that vitamin supplements are marketed to people. "You're sooooo busy you productivity whirlwind you. Although you live in NZ where most people get 2 or more meals per day you need some vitamin X and we'll sell you some at a huge markup"

[Usarka]

A new drug needs to show a number of positive trials to be approved (i think it's 3 seperate trials but could be wrong).

However there is no limit to the number of total trials (eg only 3 out of 100 trials could be positive but they only need to submit the 3 good ones).

Modern medicine is really good at acute issues like accidents etc, but shit for anything that's chronic or ongoing.

[Winston001]

Humanity owes much to Edward Jenner who discovered the smallpox vaccine 200 years ago. He is credited with saving more human lives than any other person.

Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin in 1928 and is the father of anti-biotics so he too must share Jenner's massive contribution to mankind.

We have eradicated smallpox from the planet. We almost eradicated poliomyelitis by 1998 through a UN and Rotary program.

Viruses are tough. There are no medicines which obliterate them. None. The only defence is human antibodies and vaccination has been proven for 200 years as the method of creating the antibodies.

The fear of vaccines reminds me of superstition and witchcraft. There is nothing wrong with questioning treatments and learning about how vaccines work but often the criticism dissolves into suspicion and conspiracy theories. So much for an educated populace.

[oldrider]

Humanity owes much to Edward Jenner who discovered the smallpox vaccine 200 years ago. He is credited with saving more human lives than any other person.

Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin in 1928 and is the father of anti-biotics so he too must share Jenner's massive contribution to mankind.

We have eradicated smallpox from the planet. We almost eradicated poliomyelitis by 1998 through a UN and Rotary program.

Viruses are tough. There are no medicines which obliterate them. None. The only defence is human antibodies and vaccination has been proven for 200 years as the method of creating the antibodies.

The fear of vaccines reminds me of superstition and witchcraft. There is nothing wrong with questioning treatments and learning about how vaccines work but often the criticism dissolves into suspicion and conspiracy theories. So much for an educated populace.

Interesting observations Winston001.

Personally I suffered a bad reaction to the polio vaccine when a school pupil.

I suffered a bad reaction to the smallpox vaccine I received before I went to sea in the Merchant Navy.

I have suffered extremely bad reactions to fungal overgrowth caused by antibiotics.

I value the guy who pioneered probiotics far more than your antibiotic bloke!

But the medical people still insist that everyone should be treated with their vaccines even though everybody does not react the same to them!

Most of the complaints against vaccines is the fact that they contain so much "mercury" in them!

Then again as you say: So much for an educated populace!

I found this site was while I was looking for alternatives to the medicine the status quo medics insist is right for me!

I have no axe to grind with the medical except that I do not believe that they must not be questioned and that "they" are infallible!

My own medical doctor is fantastic but now she is going to Australia to practice! (funny description that)

Oh well, to each his own, I like to know what it is someone is trying to shove into me and make my own decisions!

[Kickaha]

Meh, some of us took the blue pill.

Do you have any spare?, I've just about run out

[Milts]

I've recently started work as a reference librarian at the Wellington Medical Library. I've worked there part time in other roles for five years doing a range of document supply, desk cover etc. I've also followed the vaccine 'debate' out of interest for some time.

Based on what I have read (if you disagree, try searching the PubMed database), there is no debate among the trained medical professionals as to whether vaccines are 'good' or not. The only debate is around the availability, dosage, etc. Yes, vaccines do have adverse affects on a small percentage of the population. Would you rather have 0.001% of the population maimed, braindead, perhaps sick for a week, OR would you rather have 0.5% of the population seriously ill, maimed or dead by age 30 from the disease which the vaccine protects against?

The flu vaccination is estimated to save billions in social cost by reducing the number of sick (thus less early deaths, less hospitalisations, less time off work).

According to several articles, unfortunately 'misinformation' is now much easier to spread via the internet; it is also easier to have it appear legitimate. Even academic medical journals recognise, to some extent, the benefits of some 'traditional' medicine (homeopathy excluded for obvious reasons). It is a real worry within the medical profession that intelligent, thinking people honestly believe some of the extreme misinformation out there. It makes their jobs a fuckload harder, believe me.

Winston was dead on when he said viruses are tough buggers to kill. By some definitions, they are not even alive, and they evolve incredibly fast, making them a bitch to create drugs for. Vaccinations are by far the best method we have for coping with them.

Pop quiz; how many people can name a close friend or family member who was hospitalised or died as a result of (one of the dozens of) mandatory or voluntary vaccinations? Now; 150 years ago, or even 80 years ago, how many people could name a family member or close friend who died as a result of Polio, measles, mumps, influenza, yellow fever, or smallpox?


EDIT: as to questioning medical experts, don't even think about it. Instead look at the hundreds of thousands of OTHER medical experts who, after a decade of medical or scientific training CONSTNATLY question each other on EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of EVERY SINGLE MAJOR PIECE OF RESEARCH ever written.


Also, OP should use the word 'effect', not 'affect'.