Cops tailgating to try and make you speed

[ynot slow]

Im not sure if entrapment is illegal in New Zealand, or exactly what has to be done to make it pass the test for entrapment.

Here in Kapiti, Police have just done a sting on some of the local bars for under-age drinking.

Police basically found two 17.95 year old girls, dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair, plus a wad of cash, then delivered them to various bars around the town.

So police found under-age girls, and supplied them with the means, cash and transport to break the law, and encouraged them to do it.

But it is the bar-maid, who judging appearance, clothing etc. will pay for it.

A friend of mine in Hawera who owned a bar was in a similar entrapment sting,we were having a beer after work on a Tuesday evening,in came this girl and asked for a drinkthe barmaid/owner winked at us,mixed her the drink,asked for the money,and then said oh ID please,the stupid thing was the girl was a friend of hers daughter and she knew she was 17or so,second thing was the girl was seen going into the local police station(accross the road)30 mins before.

Just as the police and liquor licensing lady came in to say well done,the barmaid said "hang on guys,I want to issue this girl a trespass order" the cop asked why,"because she is underage,knows it and I can trespass anyone from here according to my licensing act,and I wish to press trespass charges on the basis she isn't allowed on my premises unless eating in restaurant(which she isn't)".The lawyer in the bar was helpfull lol.

If the cops drive to close it's just the way kiwis use the roads in general,just because they're cops during work doesn't make them perfect drivers,much like us all.

[red mermaid]

Urban legend.
These kind of operations are specifically allowed by legislation.

A friend of mine in Hawera who owned a bar was in a similar entrapment sting,we were having a beer after work on a Tuesday evening,in came this girl and asked for a drinkthe barmaid/owner winked at us,mixed her the drink,asked for the money,and then said oh ID please,the stupid thing was the girl was a friend of hers daughter and she knew she was 17or so,second thing was the girl was seen going into the local police station(accross the road)30 mins before.

Just as the police and liquor licensing lady came in to say well done,the barmaid said "hang on guys,I want to issue this girl a trespass order" the cop asked why,"because she is underage,knows it and I can trespass anyone from here according to my licensing act,and I wish to press trespass charges on the basis she isn't allowed on my premises unless eating in restaurant(which she isn't)".The lawyer in the bar was helpfull lol.

If the cops drive to close it's just the way kiwis use the roads in general,just because they're cops during work doesn't make them perfect drivers,much like us all.

[Damantis]

On a bike, if he stops behind you just say you want to check your phone cos you thought you heard ? felt it ringing. If you're in a car, pick up your phone and dial *555. When the officer pulls you over just say you are reporting some stupid driving as the law allows you to call *555 without a hands-free kit while driving. Habd him the phone and say " It's for you. "

[GP Red Baron]

Find a gravel road off to the side... lets see his normal cop car follow me

They do have reverse so shouldn't be too much of an issue

[HenryDorsetCase]

A friend of mine in Hawera who owned a bar was in a similar entrapment sting,we were having a beer after work on a Tuesday evening,in came this girl and asked for a drinkthe barmaid/owner winked at us,mixed her the drink,asked for the money,and then said oh ID please,the stupid thing was the girl was a friend of hers daughter and she knew she was 17or so,second thing was the girl was seen going into the local police station(accross the road)30 mins before.

Just as the police and liquor licensing lady came in to say well done,the barmaid said "hang on guys,I want to issue this girl a trespass order" the cop asked why,"because she is underage,knows it and I can trespass anyone from here according to my licensing act,and I wish to press trespass charges on the basis she isn't allowed on my premises unless eating in restaurant(which she isn't)".The lawyer in the bar was helpfull lol.

If the cops drive to close it's just the way kiwis use the roads in general,just because they're cops during work doesn't make them perfect drivers,much like us all.

years ago, way before the reforms to the Sale of Likker act and stuff, my Mum was looking after our pub by herself at about 9.30 on a Monday night. Mandatory 10pm closing. She closed early, and was prosecuted for failing to adhere to the mandated hours pursuant to the act. That is purely and simply because the local cop was a total tosser.

More Eddy Grant?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Im not sure if entrapment is illegal in New Zealand, or exactly what has to be done to make it pass the test for entrapment.

Here in Kapiti, Police have just done a sting on some of the local bars for under-age drinking.

Police basically found two 17.95 year old girls, dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair, plus a wad of cash, then delivered them to various bars around the town.

So police found under-age girls, and supplied them with the means, cash and transport to break the law, and encouraged them to do it.

But it is the bar-maid, who judging appearance, clothing etc. will pay for it.

Rightly in my view. ID everybody, its the rule.

in the trade we call this a "strict liability" offence

[XxKiTtiExX]

A c.p.o.

Done all over the country, all the time.

And the managers licence suffers too if the underaged ones get served.

All the bar staff/bottle-store staff have to do is ask for I.D.

And just about all do - whereupon the girls say they have none and are then asked to leave.

It's not really rocket science.



Oh, and your description of what age the girls are, how they are 'done up' etc makes me think you use to work for the Truth - or still work for the Herald...

(the girls aren't "dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair," by police at all - weak troll)

Having your license to sell alcohol is a priviledge not a right, something people forget (so in this instance I agree with them sending in underage people to find out if the strict license conditions are being adhered to or not. It is drummed into you when you sit the test to ID anyone who looks under 25, if in doubt ask for ID anyway. It isn't that hard. (I've had to ask a guy for ID once, turned out he was 31 haha).

[davereid]

Oh, and your description of what age the girls are, how they are 'done up' etc makes me think you use to work for the Truth - or still work for the Herald...

(the girls aren't "dressed them in clothes well out of the reach and style of 18 year olds, gave them make-up and hair," by police at all - weak troll)

I saw them so I will stand by my judgement there. I have an 18 year old grand-daughter, and her and her friends are in the house all the time. So I have a very good idea of how they dress and what they can afford to wear when they go out, and these girls were dressed well above the standard for teenagers, at least in this part of the country.

And while it may be legal, I guess I will also have to say I remain uncomfortable about a system that encourages and supports young people to break the law, in an effort to enforce it.

To my mind, a police force that is happy to create a situation where the law may be broken, to actually have people acting for police create the crime, and to then pounce on the victim shows the cards very clearly.

[fuknKIWI]

Does seem a little stupid and I'm sure there are easier ways to find speeders.

It's a selective enforcement tactic & at night they use the headlights on full tactic as well...

[shrub]

Rightly in my view. ID everybody, its the rule.

in the trade we call this a "strict liability" offence

I remember back to my days as a bouncer, and anyone who looked under 25 got id'd. Pain in the arse at times, but necessary.

[scumdog]

It's a selective enforcement tactic & at night they use the headlights on full tactic as well...

Wow, I must try that...but you better explain to me the rationale behind "use the headlights on full tactic" - it might come in quite handy...

[scumdog]

I saw them so I will stand by my judgement there. I have an 18 year old grand-daughter, and her and her friends are in the house all the time. So I have a very good idea of how they dress and what they can afford to wear when they go out, and these girls were dressed well above the standard for teenagers, at least in this part of the country.

And while it may be legal, I guess I will also have to say I remain uncomfortable about a system that encourages and supports young people to break the law, in an effort to enforce it.

To my mind, a police force that is happy to create a situation where the law may be broken, to actually have people acting for police create the crime, and to then pounce on the victim shows the cards very clearly.

So...how would YOU suggest checks be done to see if licenced premises are selling booze to under-aged kid - ask the pub manager...??

[scumdog]

To my mind, a police force that is happy to create a situation where the law may be broken, to actually have people acting for police create the crime, and to then pounce on the victim shows the cards very clearly.

Sort of like sending somebody in to see if they can buy from a suspected tinny house?

Listen, pubs know the score, it goes with the territory, i - you don't see too many of those on KB who have some experience in the sale of liquor side of things complaining on here, do you?

[Dschubba]

Yes the 2 second rule does apply to police and they damn well know it, even in pursuits.

Saw a mufti cop a few days back, blue commodore, whitby roundabout, bla bla bla on a cell phone.
Found out subsequently that they have a dispensation from that rule.
Probably have a dispensation for lots of others too?

[Genie]

Sort of like sending somebody in to see if they can buy from a suspected tinny house?

Listen, pubs know the score, it goes with the territory, i - you don't see too many of those on KB who have some experience in the sale of liquor side of things complaining on here, do you?

dont' forget the corner dairy selling cigerettes...they get stung too if they sell to under 18.