National opens ACC to private sector

[Voltaire]

This government is more aggressive (and underhand) with their outcome so I beleive this time it is very much different. No way can we as a nation let corporate thieves take over ACC and any other service these bastards want to make money out of.

Do you bank with Kiwibank, have a 2 degrees phone, make biofuel, grow your own veges and make your own pies...

I prefer companies that make money to Govt departments who waste it....I know I did my apprenticeship in the Post Office...

[Oscar]

Jeez....I'm sure that had SOMETHING to do with the fact that a certain drunken arrogant buffoon had left the cupboards bare.
FFS Mr Oscar, you ask for facts (sorry you demand that we give them to you) and when we do you simply ignore them as they don't fit your narrow little neo liberal view point.
Please piss off back to Nat HQ..I can almost smell the uranium on your breath from here.......

"It's been tried once before, in 1999, when the ACC was privatised in relation to work-related claims...in the time that [ACC was privatised] there was a great amount of competition between insurance companies to buy business. We saw what happened in Australia when the same sort of thing happened. In the early 1980s, there were two insurance companies...which were competing heavily for worker’s compensation premiums. They cut their premiums and they got into competition with each other until eventually they both went broke, and left the Victorian state government to pick up the pieces.”

Don Rennie, ACC Committee, NZ Law Society, TVNZ Breakfast,

[B]All this talk of liabilities being blown out is complete nonsense. It's ill-founded and smacks of scare-mongering, which, given the current economic picture is the last thing people need to be told. ...on paper the losses have ballooned when in reality there's nothing wrong with it.”

Jonathan Eriksen, Managing Director, Eriksen & Associates (international actuarial and strategic investment consultancy),/B]

“For the Government to wrap legitimate concerns about slippage in ACC's performance in a whole lot of shrill scaremongering and scapegoating is gratuitous. …ACC is a civilised and cost-effective approach to dealing with the injured. Why undermine confidence in the scheme, unless you plan to undermine the scheme itself?”

Brian Fallow, Economics Editor, NZ Herald

For those of us interested in letting the current bunch of bastards (Labor or Nat) know that we don't agree with Mr Oscar and who are sick of constant attacks on our way of life...NZ Riders Are Voters.....
http://www.nzrav.org/
See you there.

You continue to get opinion (or in your case political slogans) mixed up with facts.

Give me an example of something that happened post-1999 that supports your claims. Don Rennies analogy is patently ridiculous - to compare something that happened Victoria to do with Workers Comp with a debate about NZ's ACC system is apples and oranges.

I happen to agree with Erikson about the financial state of ACC btw.

However to call me a Nat just because you disagree with me is not only rude, but exposes the shallowness of your thought process. You bleat about how ACC treat motorcyclists but are prepared to continue to trust them for compensation claims? Who's the mug again?

[Oscar]

see your own comment ( yes they openly stated way back in the Nineties, what they intended to do , and they are doing it ,,,,

Rego any one? , cost of heating your home? , snip

from the energy bill second reading
The ministerial review as set up identified that the increase in prices for residential consumers over the last decade was a matter of particular concern. Everyone knows that in the 8 years prior to 2009 electricity prices for residential consumers rose by some 73 percent, or three times the rate of inflation. The review identified insufficient competition—particularly at the retail level, and particularly in the South Island—as key reasons for an undue increase in those retail margins for residential customers.

Student loans .... or even this....

snip

In the year to June 2009, 15 percent of the population was living below the 60 percent threshold, down from 18 percent in 2007. The proportion of the population with low incomes rose sharply from 1990, reached a peak in the mid-1990s and has generally declined since then. In 2009, the proportion was still a little above the average level in the 1980s.
The increase in the proportion of the population with low incomes in the early-1990s is attributable to declining household incomes arising from high rates of unemployment and reduced levels of social assistance. The improvement since the mid-1990s reflects more robust economic (and income) growth, the steady decline in unemployment, the increase in housing assistance and the increase in tax credits for families with children. Rates remain a little higher in 2009 than they were in the 1980s partly because, for many groups, housing costs for low-income households have risen significantly as a proportion of their household incomes.


now the 4th labour government that as you say introduced all of this were comprised and or supported by members of the business round table , Gibbs Kerr and Douglas ,,, hardly fair to call those lot for the people or labour and that the chair man? of the IMF was at one time a labour man ( Mike Moore .I cant quite remember )

and when borrowing from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structu...stment_Program ( notice about the deregulation and privatization??)

So get past this National /labour thing , its where we borrow the money from ( cheap money , nothing to do with labour again , as quite a few other countries did the same thing ,,,Ireland )
Stephen

btw im providing a lot of evidence,,, no seems to be forthcoming from others?

Evidence?
What of the mish mash above actually has to do with ACC?

Energy costs?
Student loans?
Ireland?

Step away from the bong...

[Fatt Max]

Do you make your own pies...

What a fucking great idea bruv...!!

[Quasievil]

Excellent !! less government and more privatization ALL THE WAY !!

anything said to the contrary in the previous pages all I will say is your wrong
(and clearly a spoon feeding labour supporter )

[Katman]

The original ACC concept was an ideal that was always doomed to failure as we increasingly became a 'Fuck you Jack' society.

[phill-k]

Do you bank with Kiwibank, have a 2 degrees phone, make biofuel, grow your own veges and make your own pies...

I prefer companies that make money to Govt departments who waste it....I know I did my apprenticeship in the Post Office...

And ship their profits offshore ah!

[MSTRS:Me]

Understand that and you'll begin to get a glimpse of how our political machinery works.

More accurate (if not really a word) is 'Political Machinatery'...

Yeah, the Govt. is sneaking the new policy through with an 11 month wait, after a general election. Sneaky bastards, no one's gonna notice that

Announce it now, right on Xmas, when 'everyone' is distracted. Say little or nothing for the next year. Make a shedload of promises, obfuscate and misdirect. Win election. BANG!!
"What do you mean 'What happened?' - we told you all about it last year"

I was around, and I think my memory is somewhat better than yours.
It was the 1984 Labour Govt. that sold most of the assets (Railway, Power Generation etc).

It was. Someone had to pay for Think Big and the years of SMP to farmers.
We're still paying...

[Squiggles]

Tis perhaps worth taking another glance at what the ACC Group from Auckland and Vic Uni discussed last december

[eelracing]

The original ACC concept was an ideal that was always doomed to failure as we increasingly became a 'Fuck you Jack' society.

Wake up and smell the coffee jack...heres our future.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ne-help-please

This from a Government directive to ACC from Nick Smith...which results in a 6 fucking month wait until surgery!!! and even worse never able to ride again. You can bet your bottom dollar that this guys case manager got a rise.

Will that be you to?you willing to put up with that shit.Or are you all right coz you can afford private health insurance?

And of course the older you get the higher the risk you are to some pen pushing bottom line merchant.

[MSTRS:Me]

If ACC was envisaged and set up to replace the problems that private insurance caused...why the fuck would it be a good idea to go back to that system?

No - don't tell me - could it be that the people that want this to happen are in a position to make money out of it?

[StoneY]

Last year before the BIKEOI I took a Labour MP, young Chris Hipkins on a ride to Martinborough for lunch

Chris was dead keen to see why so many bikers loved 'his' hill (he is the Rimutaka MP)

We had a great lunch at Hooters and he told us of how a delegation from European and North American countries/states had come to study our ACC system

All of them, including the Swiss reps, reckoned we have a world beating system in ACC and whatever is wrong with it in our opions is insignificant when compared to the crap they put up with under private insurance/lawyers/sue your ass for hurting me systems they all have.

Canada were so impressed they went back to try get the government of Canada to investigate a similar scheme

As has been said so many times.... ACC aint broke, it aint broken.
Needs better management, yep
Need to kick off the bludgers abusing the system? ABSOLUTELY

But raise levies and open to private competition...never
It made 1.7 BILLION more than it spent 2008-2009

Its no secret I am a Labour supporter,but this issue is far more than just Labour National etc

Its about a treasured Kiwi institution that needs to be managed better, not competed with, sold, or privateized

Brent

[Voltaire]

And ship their profits offshore ah!

Maybe we could use North Korea as a model of self sufficiency or return to pre a pre European lifestyle....

[Katman]

Need to kick off the bludgers abusing the system? ABSOLUTELY

This is the area that needs to be focused on.

Bludgers have systematically fucked our entire welfare system as well as the ACC system.

[phill-k]

Maybe we could use North Korea as a model of self sufficiency or return to pre a pre European lifestyle....

Fuck u are funny mate, we have a system (see stoney's post) thats regarded as one of the best in the world.
NZ has an issue with overseas debt, why bust up a NZ owned system that works and is profitable, and give the profits of such to overseas companies and add to our overseas debt.