Child abuse at its worst in good ole NZ

[jasonu]

I'd rather live in a country that treats ALL its citizens well than one that threatens to submit to radical, reactionary responses to emotive subjects, about which we seldom know all the details or all the answers.

Like all threads of its ilk a vocal minority purport to know all the answers, but are seldom seen or heard of when friends are in trouble, let alone despised denizens of an underclass created by self-interest and mindless adherence to politicised "solutions" rather than actively encouraging people to enhance your next-door neighbour's life. That's where, I believe, we have to start. Us, not "them". "They" don't give a fuck so long as you consume and spend.

What I do know is that the same people ranting about the "scumbags" harming and killing their children will making the same comments in 20 years time about the abused children (obviously not the dead ones) going on to live the same lifestyle as their parents and exhibiting the same level of sometimes violent dysfunction and disaffection and they will be saying that the things that happened to them are no excuse for their appalling behaviour.

Narrow, small-minded, vindictive and shallow is not a long term cultural choice. It's led us to the point where we are now where everyone has an opinion and no one has the time to positively effect change in anyone else's life.

I see a LOT of damaged people reaching out to others. I don't see many comfortably well-off, I',m all right Jack types doing the same.

Are you related to Helen Clarke or do you belong to the Green party or maybe you wear sandles while you hug trees.
Shit man,we need to harden the fuck up on people like these! We need to lock up cocksuckers like these people and throw away the key. There is no excuse. 'Oh but I was abused as a child so now I will abuse my children' Fuck that! Those people are adults and unless they are mentally retarded, there is no excuse for them not to see what they are doing to these kids is wrong. I am totally disgusted that they were released on bail. That judge needs a good swift punch in the head wake up call, maybe a visit with the abused girl in question might change his/her descision to let these cunts loose.
Things like this make me feel embarresed to say I am a Kiwi

Just my opinion for what it is worth.

[Paul in NZ]

Are you related to Helen Clarke?

Now that you mention it - I have noticed a resemblance...... Except helens the looker in the family...

nah - hes got a heart of gold our Jim, he just acts all gruff....

[Paul in NZ]

Stop selling yourself short.

OK - You should see my latest 'project'. Tell ya about it next time we catch up...

[James Deuce]

Are you related to Helen Clarke or do you belong to the Green party or maybe you wear sandles while you hug trees.
Shit man,we need to harden the fuck up on people like these! We need to lock up cocksuckers like these people and throw away the key. There is no excuse. 'Oh but I was abused as a child so now I will abuse my children' Fuck that! Those people are adults and unless they are mentally retarded, there is no excuse for them not to see what they are doing to these kids is wrong. I am totally disgusted that they were released on bail. That judge needs a good swift punch in the head wake up call, maybe a visit with the abused girl in question might change his/her descision to let these cunts loose.
Things like this make me feel embarresed to say I am a Kiwi

Just my opinion for what it is worth.

Do you work hard to burp up ignorant vitriol or does it just, you know flow forth without effort?

[Virago]

...Shit man,we need to harden the fuck up on people like these! We need to lock up cocksuckers like these people and throw away the key. There is no excuse...

...That judge needs a good swift punch in the head wake up call...

Ah, I love the smell of irony in the morning.

Smells like - hypocrisy...

[jonbuoy]

Do you work hard to burp up ignorant vitriol or does it just, you know flow forth without effort?

Your right Jim, what they REALLY need is a group hug. You seem to know all the answers - what do you think the solution is? What can us ignorant public do to help these poor unfortunate people that are compelled to beat seven bells of shit out of children? Do you have children? Have you ever felt the urge to hit them for ANYTHING? The thought of raising a hand against my stepkids even to discipline them makes me feel sick.

[James Deuce]

Your right Jim, what they REALLY need is a group hug. You seem to know all the answers - what do you think the solution is? What can us ignorant public do to help these poor unfortunate people that are compelled to beat seven bells of shit out of children? Do you have children? Have you ever felt the urge to hit them for ANYTHING? The thought of raising a hand against my stepkids even to discipline them makes me feel sick.

The assumptions are really quite magnificent. If only I could leap such chasms in a single bound.

[jonbuoy]

The assumptions are really quite magnificent. If only I could leap such chasms in a single bound.

No real answers to the questions though?

[James Deuce]

No real answers to the questions though?

There are no answers. I have suggestions for a process, but expecting a quick fix is as much a fantasy as expecting killing and maiming criminals to prevent people committing crimes.

[jasonu]

Your right Jim, what they REALLY need is a group hug. You seem to know all the answers - what do you think the solution is? What can us ignorant public do to help these poor unfortunate people that are compelled to beat seven bells of shit out of children? Do you have children? Have you ever felt the urge to hit them for ANYTHING? The thought of raising a hand against my stepkids even to discipline them makes me feel sick.

Yes maybe give them a pat on the head and politely ask them not to do it again.
I think that would work out just peachey for their daughter...

killing and maiming criminals to prevent people committing crimes.

Now you are talking, should work nicely.

[Kickaha]

By the time you get to the killing and maiming of criminals it's already to late, you might stop re offending but not the original crime

[MSTRS:Me]

It's a bit like gardening...and weeds.
You can keep pulling the bastards out, or spray them to death, even though they keep coming. Eventually, there's not so many, but you still can't afford to relax.
Or you can talk nicely to them, hope they listen, and don't take over the garden...

[firefighter]

There are no answers. I have suggestions for a process, but expecting a quick fix is as much a fantasy as expecting killing and maiming criminals to prevent people committing crimes.

No but it's a far greater deterrent than what we have currently.

As I said before, you will never stop it, but you can absolutely ensure that the people caught don't do it again (without a huge expense to the rest of society).

I'm personally a supporter of the death penalty, but with strict policies to prevent the innocent being executed. I will never see any benefit in keeping serious miscreants alive, as some muppit will always want to 'rehabilitate them', which even if that was a possibility, which it isn't, they don't deserve to be.

As for those who blame being fingered as children/whatever themselves, that is a bullshit excuse, there are plenty that don't grow up to be mongrels. I know two of them (one is a close cousin), and they have a very hightened awareness of what is right and wrong.

There are no excuses for this stuff no-matter how it is painted. Call it emotive, call it what you like, that is my answer for dealing with those caught, as for preventing it, well......who knows.

[jasonu]

No but it's a far greater deterrent than what we have currently.

As I said before, you will never stop it, but you can absolutely ensure that the people caught don't do it again (without a huge expense to the rest of society).

I'm personally a supporter of the death penalty, but with strict policies to prevent the innocent being executed. I will never see any benefit in keeping serious miscreants alive, as some muppit will always want to 'rehabilitate them', which even if that was a possibility, which it isn't, they don't deserve to be.

As for those who blame being fingered as children/whatever themselves, that is a bullshit excuse, there are plenty that don't grow up to be mongrels. I know two of them (one is a close cousin), and they have a very hightened awareness of what is right and wrong.

There are no excuses for this stuff no-matter how it is painted. Call it emotive, call it what you like, that is my answer for dealing with those caught, as for preventing it, well......who knows.

I agree with you.
Put them in jail for a long long time so if/when they get out they will be too old and their kids will be too big (and hopefully too smart) for them to do it again.
Or, you could put them through the mentioned 'process' give them back the kida and hope they don't do it again.
For the kids sake, I like my first option. These bastards don't deserve a second chance.

This guy went through a 'process'
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10696086

[scissorhands]

The punishment should fit the crime. An eye for an eye, or a hand, or a penis. I quite like the idea of public floggings like in Singapore. Public beheadings could be going a bit too far.